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Thursday, January 22, 2009

Street Harassment



When I was younger me and the fellas would hang outside and catcall all the pretty girls that would walk by.

It was what young guys who had absolutely no game about themselves and nothing better to do did to try to get the attention of young women.

It is always done in groups where courage against what you didn't understand can be drawn from your buddies.

Back then the idea was to be funny, charming, persuading a girl to give you the attention you wanted and eventually those digits.

Rejection was part of the game and to save face a rude remark would go flying hard at the girl who dared turn her nose up a little too high at you.

But it was something on the lines of "you ain't all that anyway", a small measure to save face in front of your boys, who wouldn't hesitate to let you have it despite the fact that they too got shot down in other colorful forms.

That was about as far as it went though.

It was all part of growing up, boys figured out what worked and what didn't in the safety of their comrades and girls learned to be selective and to get tough.

My favorites were always the ones who had a slick mouth, shooting back comebacks as fast as I gave them.

It was all in fun then, when we were all feeling each other out.

That was then.

Somewhere between the 80's and 90's something changed drastically.

A cold blooded mean streak developed in some men, where women no longer became someone you won over but "something" you conquered.

It went from us getting with them into us vs them.

When women walk the street it is as if they are outsiders in who have to pay tribute before crossing into the territory that is man.

I to tell the truth have been completely oblivious to it, hell it has been awhile since I have seen it take place.

But by all accounts by women this goes on with the full gusto.

The topic has been brought up before by various bloggers with various degrees of effect on me.

Some of the writing and videos made me shake my head and wag my finger, shame on those bad men and just as quickly out of sight and out of my mind.

Others made me question the purpose of the video, as if it had a black male bashing agenda than an actual message of street harassment.

Either way I didn't get it, it didn't stick, it was something that happened "over there" so I had no reason to take it seriously, when I walk the streets with a woman I do not hear a sound, when i am not there I am not there.

That's how I felt about it till this old video popped up.......


This made me real uncomfortable because of the familiarity of the situation, this I understood completely better than any other public service video that was out there ranting against street harassment.

Reason why is because I have been in crowds like that, where packs of men would commit assault on women passing by.

Back in the 90's Atlanta had an event that started off as a quasi college spring break/roving block party.

It wasn't long before the name changed into Freaknik, a name to fit an event where men and women took flirting to extremes.

That was where I first saw a woman sexually assaulted, men surrounded a car where the girls were flashing them and proceeded to grope them through the window.

Things got out of hand quickly as the women went from laughing and teasing, to shock and fear at what was being done to them.

Windows were busted, the hood was dented in on their car, as men jumped on for a better view, a better reach.

The driver with fear in her eyes forced the car through the traffic and the crowd trying to make their escape.

I witnessed similar incidents like this all over the city during Freaknik, each year it got worse and the city finally had enough and did whatever they could to undermine the event, till it finally stopped.

But the truth was the cops didn't have to do a thing, women stopped feeling safe so they stopped coming.

It was as good as dead then.

Now this is an extreme version of street harassment, but it brought things into perspective, I understood that the catcalling was just a first step in the genesis of this behavior.

Now I am no psychologist or scholar that can explain how these actions by these men is a form of oppression against women.

How their assaults is a way to put fear in women's hearts and thus gain some type of control over them.

I can't break it down like that or understand it that way, I don't know that way.

But what I do know is thugs, Ive been surrounded by them all my life, I know how that mind works because my mind worked that way.

I understand this behavior for what it is, dominance, it is saying that no matter what you do, where you go, who you are with, you are beneath me.

You belong to me and I can do whatever I like to you no matter what.

You are my bitch in every definition of the term.

You can't get any simpler than that.

But I want you to remember that I used the word thugs to describe these men because those are the exact type of men who do this.

You see Freaknik didn't go to hell because of college boys with fast mouths and girls with short skirts, it went to hell the moment the men and women who didn't go to college showed up.

Older men and women who never went to college, but wanted to party, started showing up.

This was followed by teenagers skipping school to join in, then you had strippers, prostitutes, pimps, gang bangers, and drug dealers popping up looking to get paid.

It became a deviant gold rush, that's when thing got serious and very unsafe.

The reason I bring this up is that to solve a problem you have to address the cause, the disease if you will.

Let's be real here, women are not the problem, you can build up little girl's and women's self esteem all you want.

Have all the women rights organizations and girl gatherings you want, make all the videos, and blog all you want, scream to the high heavens about how bad these men are.

Tell yourself that you are in control of your life and you can do whatever you want.

But if men and particularly those type of men ain't listening then what?

If the "gold" standard of women, Michelle Obama, walked through that crowd of men in the above video she would have got groped like the rest of them.

Cause on the streets it is you and them.

That boys and girls is real.

The disease is not even black men but criminal black men, thugs, basic to poorly educated, lower working class to unemployed, men who grew up in neighborhoods where violence, crime and poverty were the norm.

Until those issues are addressed I don't believe street harassment is going anywhere, when you are at the bottom of the muck barrel of society you are going to look for anything or rather anyone to step on to make you feel that you are that much higher in the world.

And black women, no matter her status, is always seen as the stool for this purpose.

That's the way I see it, get men off the streets and you break the street mentality that is fed by their station in life and women can feel safer walking the streets than they do now, not much safer but safer nonetheless.

34 comments:

pjazzypar said...

Very well written commentary on boys behaving much more than badly! This type of behavior is atrocious! In Texas what is going on in the video would be considered sexual assault, punishable by jail time and registration as a sex offender. I know at one time that had outlawed "Freaknik", now I can see why. I don't care how provocatively a woman dresses no one has the right to put their hands on her. Thanks for sharing this piece. Being an older woman I don't really experience this kind of behavior. Really eye opening stuff.

D.J. said...

I thought a bit after reading your blog about who is to blame. I think the answer is we all are as a community,as a society. I think we as a society get caught up in ideals and what should be instead of what is.

I am sure i will be looked at cross ways for this but while Mike Tyson had many issues in the 80's and 90's one thing he did not deserve was the Desiree Washington scandal.

For any who might not remember or are too young to remember back in the early 90's as Mike's career was coming to a close, he was in Indianapolis with a Miss Black America Pagent runner and after a evening on the town he offered to show her the view of the city from his hotel window. Somewhere between his hotel room door and the view from the fourth floor window she removed her own underwear. the next day he was being brought up on rape charges.

None of us were in the room so we will never know exactly what happened, but here is what we do know. She went to his room after dark of her own accord and she did admit to removing her own underwear. She however was made into a victim because the mantra became "A woman has a right to change her name"

Now while this is true somehow in our need to rally the cause of what people "should" be able to do somewhere we lost personal responsibility.

At this point we stopped teaching personal responsibility and it became everyone elses responsibility to make sure everyone else behaved. Around this time we also lost the ability to discipline our children. At 36 years old I firmly believe that my generation was the last that was taught to not only be responsible for yourself but also for those around you ...for good or bad.

Thembi Ford said...

My main observation about this is that this type of behavior creates one of the main differences between black women and white women. I know that I'm stereotyping but black women are perceived as tougher and having thicker skin, and sometimes attitude problems. The extent to which that's true, in my opinion, has a lot to do with the fact that black females have to endure some form of street harassment from the age of 12 onward, and nobody harasses little white girls like that! It really give you a kneejerk attitude problem reaction...

Jessica said...

This was a very eye opening post for me. Thanks--nicely written.I didn't realize the depth at which this behavior went on. I agree with Thembi, I never had to deal with anything like that.
About, Freaknik I was in High School in a suburb of Atlanta during the mid to late 90s, and I remember the teachers strongly encouraging students not to venture down there because they were worried it would get out of hand. I always thought it was a spring break type of thing, which I guess it was until as you said, "It became a deviant gold rush." Sad.

clnmike said...

pjazzypar,

Yeah neglected to mention the age difference, but regardless the behavior is criminal.

DJ

Interesting that you brought up Mike Tyson, I remember being very much a believe that Washinton lied about the incident, but that was because of me being a Tyson fan.

Now I dont know, the fact is that he was convicted.

But yes, personal resposibility should always be taken into consideration, but in this case were talking about women minding their own buisness.

Thembi,

I would agree with that if i didnt think that economic status didnt play a part in that.

How much different is the life of a working class to poor white woman that that of a black woman living in similar enviorments?

Jessica,

Yeah, the event went down hill pretty quickly, but another factor that played into that was race.

Even before the incidents people wanted it shut down and many speculated that it was fear of having large groups of young black people roaming the streets.

D.J. said...

Clnmike-

True we are talking about women minding their own business but in a larger sense we are still talking about the teaching of personal responsibility. It is lack of teaching personal responsibility on both sides men and women that has brought us to this point.

And yes it did come out later if i remember correctly that she did lie but the Indiana courts were not willing to retry the case.

clnmike said...

DJ,

Oh trust me I am big on personal repsponability.

And to speak the truth i think women have been excused from having to fully face up to that, leading to their own disadvantage when it come to men taking them serious.

Marvalus said...

Very good post, Mike...

There is a lack of respect on both sides that lends to this type of behavior. A woman has a right to dress anyway that she wants, but if she goes somewhere half-dressed, she is looking for attention and has to be aware of the type of attention she is going to get. I am NOT saying that that gives anyone the right to put their hands on her or sexually harass her, but I think women must take responsibility as to the kind of message they are sending out.

And men? Well it certainly is not the business to "holler" at someone on the street and think that it is okay to attack them if they don't respond. And no matter what stage you are in a sexual encounter, if the woman says stop, then you must stop...period.

CC Solomon said...

I don't know how it started but it disgust me. It got so I stopped going to certain clubs because of that behavior. Men feeling they can put their hands on you as if you a piece of meat. And a woman doesn't have to dress provocatively or do anything suggestive for this to happen. Trust me. Sometimes it's simply being in the wrong area with a bunch of ignorant bamma cavemen. Anytime a man grabs a woman inappropriately it is sexual assult. period. I never encountered this behavior in other cultures. I hate to generalize like that but it pisses me off! Glad you brought it up.

RunningMom said...

Let me just start by saying..."Let a mutherf@#$er put his hands on me like that and see what happens" I'll scratch his eyes out with one hand and try to rip his balls off with the other. Are they serious!?!

I watched the video, those girls knew they were going to get grabbed at, that's why they were out on the town in their underwear and high heels walking in front of a crowd of men.

Now, each of those men has a personable responsibility to their own moral code, but when you get a bunch of people together, you get a "pack mentality" similar to the Walmart issue at Christmas.

No one person is going to push a door in and trample a Walmart employee to death. Put a pack of otherwise civilized people together, different story.

A woman should be able to walk down the street without being rudely approached, called out her name, leered at, groped, grabbed or made to feel afraid.

But I honestly feel that in this video example right here - they knew exactly what they were walking into.

♥ CG ♥ said...

Bravo! Mike, please consider taking this another step, possibly to a group of young men to have dialogue and instill the values you obviously possess. Excellent!

Mimi said...

Good Work Mike.

Now can please educate these young dudes?

Although I personally think some of these women dress provacatively to see how attention they can get.

I saw this first hand in Miami during Memorial Weekend. Personally when I see a crowd of guys I either cross the street or walk AROUND the group. I saw women in Miami PURPOSELY walk THROUGH the crowd of men. It's like, what are you thinking? That's like dangling steak in front of a hungry dog.

I also never attended such events as Freaknik and Black Beach(in Daytona Beach) for those exact reasons. I know and have heard of what goes on at those events. I prefer to keep my clean record. I have no problem hauling off and slapping some dude for being disrespectful...then I have to go to jail. Naw, I'm good...I'll pass :).

Alas, I don't know what else to say on the issue. We need to get it together.

P.S. I added this blog to my list just for you Mike :)...You can thank me with some Haitian Rum! lol

The Rock Chick said...

Wow. I don't even know what to say about that video. I do think there is some "mob mentality" going on there, but OMG. That's way over the line of the construction worker cat calls that you used to see on TV from time to time years ago. That is not just acceptable behavior AT ALL. The whole thing is just wrong.

I'm a mom of 4 teenagers, 3 girls and 1 boy and I have to say this...if I ever saw my son grab someone like that OR my daughters out dressed in their underwear like that, I think I would hit the ceiling (after I knocked them out!).

Thanks for posting this article and video. I've never seen anything quite like that before. Hope I don't have to again either. Just wrong!!!!

Hey Shae! said...

Without being able to see the full scale of the video, I'm wondering if these women could have walked on the other side of the street to get where they are going? It just seems like a bit much for me and if a pack of men are groping the women in front of me, I am surely not going to be the next to walk in that line. In fact, I may be the female at the back of the line sending those photos via my cell to 911... I just have to consider for my own safety is the event worth all that and will I get through the ordeal without being totally violated? If I can't answer those questions I'd be heading back home.

clnmike said...

Marvalus,

Yeah I believe a little common sense by both sides is in order.

CC,

Thanks for stopping by.

Running Mom,

Yeah I think the women didnt help themselves out there but regardless personal reposability falls on the men. But your right pack mentality gives courage to cowards.

Curvy Gurl,

Lol, I will think about it.

Mimi,

Lol, I'll send you a bottle.

The Rock Chick,

Yeah, things are slowly getting worse, out there it's always good to school your kids.

Hey Shae,

A lot of women are thinking that way.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this insightful post. I remember watching a video about Freaknik and being absolutely appalled at the treatment of women. I agree with your point that something happened between the 80s and the 90s that turned what once was playful (if sometimes irritating) come-ons into toxic antagonism. I am reminded of the duet between Ice Cube and Too Short in a song called "Ain't Nothin' But a Word." It kind of sums of the bad end of that shift.

clnmike said...

Black On Campus,

Yes, I pointed out that time frame because thats when I noticed a change in the attitude toward women.

It' is also around the time that all the fatherless boys start hitting man hood.

So there is a connection.

Anonymous said...

O
My
God

This shit was appalling

but lets just say that's about the crowd that stays rolling up in Miami during Memorial weekend to starts with and the reason why I wouldn't be caught dead around that mess, But I'm really just taken aback that NO ONE would put a stop to this, which is more than enough grounds for a molestation charge anywhere or that these goons were so openly encouraging of each other

Oh God let me just tell you guys trying to arm-grab/flag me in the club get such a quick hard ass slap to begin with that I can only assume if someone touched me in that manner without my consent two things would pop off:

Me in jail

or killed

Cause I ASSURE YOU: I'm scratching faces, eyes, kneeing balls biting AND calling the police for good measure!

clnmike said...

Qucifer,

Lol, that sounds about right from you.

Malcolm said...

Some feel that women who dress "provocatively" are asking for it. However, I think that a lot of these dudes are looking to grab some T&A even if a woman is dressed like a nun.

It is a shame that Freaknik had to end because it's original purpose was a good one. However, like you said, people who had no business being there fucked it up for everyone else.

Vérité Parlant said...

Don't ever write again that you don't know how to "break it down." You broke this down exceptionally well. It gripped me, moved me. I've passed the link along to a group of writers.

Now this is an extreme version of street harassment, but it brought things into perspective, I understood that the catcalling was just a first step in the genesis of this behavior.

Very insightful. Thank you for writing this and sharing the video. Bravo!

Lori said...

Clnmike,
I applaud your willingness to address this topic, particularly in the honest and forthright manner in which you chose to do so.

Too often this subject (the degradation and sexual harrassment of women, Black women in particular) is either dismissed under the flimsy and archaic "boys will be boys" excuse or buried under a maddening rush to point fingers and heap blame upon the victims.

Thank you for being brave enough to use examples from your own personal experience and for pointing our your own growth and enlightenment when it comes to such matters.

I attended an HBC, for a minute back in the day, and I remember, one year, thinking about going to Freaknik with a group of friends.

But then I started taking a closer look at some of the OTHER FOLKS who appeared RARING to go--please, a good many of them hadn't stepped
foot on a college campus or even picked up a book in years.

And when it came to those actually enrolled in somebody's institution of higher learning, the main ones dying to get to Freaknik were those fools who for all practical purposes where majoring in Bid Whist, Big Radios (aka boom boxes) or some other type of BS (lol). So, after all was said and done, I kept my nerdy behind home. My mama didn't raise no freaks nor any fools (smile).

pjazzypar said...

I was telling a friend (male) about this post and guiding him to the site so he could see the video for himself. This particular friend had lived in Atlanta for a while and had experienced the "Freaknik" phenomenon first hand. After watching the video he informed me that those women who attend this event know what they are getting into.

He went on to inform me that Freaknik is the African American equivalent of "Girls Gone Wild". He told me that he had seen young, African American women exposing their breast in public and various obscenities.

The women in the video posted here clearly did not want the attention and they should have the right to enter an establishment without being accosted.

bransom said...

Oh my!
Can I just say that was some serious criminal activity being recorded! Can you say...Exhibit A.

However, it did not surprise me.

I am going to have to play devils advocate about this though because there are two ways to look at this and both parties are to blame...

Look at what those women are wearing. Not only are their ass cheeks hanging out...they are walking through a crowd full of men and did they not see what happened to the girls that were walking ahead of them? Maybe they should have gone around or crossed the street.

You see some women like this type of attention. Some of those women were laughing! They think this type of behavior is cute.

When I was younger (middle school), if the boys weren't trying to grab your "booty" then you were not pretty. Of course I grew out of that and learned that type of attention is not what defines me or my beauty...but some women still think that way. Its sad, but true. I am just keeping it real.

Those women knew what type of attention they were going to get (sorry pjazzypar)...its not right for men to take advantage of this...but these women are not innocent by far. I bet if you followed these women in the club you would see them in the middle of the floor popping in a handstand!

Now, those men need to be prosecuted! I had my husband look at the video tape and one of those incidents borders on gang rape!

My only thought was..and I know this sounds familiar...but what if this was happening to their mothers, sisters, daughters, wives.

Men need to start thinking about their little girl when they have the urge to grope some, as Malcolm put it...T&A!

And I'm out!

clnmike said...

Malcolm,

Exactly, and the wrong people got the blame for it.

Vérité Parlant,

Thank, I try, lol.

Lori,

Yes, when dealing with an issue like this you should know exactly who you are aiming at in order to get the right man.

pjazzypar,

I understand that there are some women who thrive on the attention of men, but getting attention and being disrespected and assaulted are two different things.

There were a lot of women who stripped and flash at event like these for a number of reasons but regardless of their character the men should keep it hands off.

Bransom,

Yes the women were aware, and i suspect the ones who were offended were more upset about how rough they were touched as opposed to being touched.

But even if they "wanted it" there will be women walking by who want no part of it and will be violated because they were mistaken for the ones that do.

Thats more than enough reason for it to stop.

Candy Minx said...

I am commenting here a few days after this post...and many comments to catch up on...

But I found this post really thought provoking.

I also had a great amount of difficulty watching the video.

Pjazzypar talked about the law in Texas, and I would say this would be sexual assault in Canada too.

I don't like to disagree but someone in the commnets said his wouldn't happen to white girls.

I not only believe it would but can attest to it happening. It happens in crowd mentality situations no matter skin colour.

Cat calls are one thing, and having had many cat calls all my life...I usually just smile and wave. But moving through a crowd of men like this...in a parade or say a festival it is possible that a kind of competition between the men could occur.

I could even imagine women getting into a mob mentality.

I don't know if it's because I'm working class..and even though I am an older woman, who might dres "so-called sexy" I have been groped in some situations like this.

I was frightenedand felt quite shocked.

Meanwhile...it's interesting to note that men often talk about women and compete...not to get points with the women...but to get points with each other.

Isn't male bonding occuring in this situation? Or even when men are comparing and talking about their attractions...its not for th e benefit of the females...but to male bond.

I don't know what would change this except someone saying it's not acceptable or gentlmanly. Unless a peer of these men changed and spoke out against it during the event?

Great post...great blog!

clnmike said...

Candy Minx,

You brought up a good point with the male bonding issue, I didnt give that consideration.

I believe that is also part of it, the way these things take place it is no different from going to the bar and shooting the breeze with your friends or watching a ball game.

Bombchell said...

(sigh) so sad.

Josh said...

Let me pull "race" out of it for a moment and speak on it as an American society issue:

This type of debauchery is void of any moral responsibility to one's self and the women - whether some enjoy it or not - involved.

As our society advances to the point of porno, this type of behavior is becoming common-place.

I fell it is a sequence of clouds that are forming the perfect storm. The culmination of events creating this X-rated street atmosphere are far-reaching and know no racial boundaries.

Sexually expressive music, widespread adult content online, 12-year-old girls wearing "Will Swallow for Boys" t-shirts, TV channels dedicating programs to promiscuous behavior -- it's everywhere.

It's absolutely NO excuse, but, men have ready access to millions of women willing to sell themselves as "meat" every single day. They (the men) simply lack the character to make the moral distinction.

Let this happens to one of their mothers or their wives or daughters and see how quickly those dormant brain cells spark.

I wanted to take race out for a second because this does not only happen in Freaknikesque atmospheres.

In the late 90s, MTV attempted to relive Woodstock with a rock celebration. The neo-hippies quickly took it upon themselves to sexually abuse dozens of women.

The irony being that during the original Woodstock, circa 1969, a lot of women were butterball naked and the men, though they may have snuck a peak, didn't grope and grab and molest.

What happened in those 30-years to turn "peace and love" into "put 'em on the glass"? That's the million-dollar question.

What pjazzypar said about Texas law should be true everywhere: This behavior should leave the convicted having to formally introduce himself to the neighbors.

clnmike said...

Bombchell,

Yes indeed.

Josh,

Your right, we in America have been over sexed to the point that what is appropiate and what is criminal behavior has slowly become blurred.

Unknown said...

getting these men off the streets will only create another problem, to say something w/o getting into too much detail...these men need to be in environments where they can be educated...its not as hard as it seems either....i mean think about it...how do you eat an elephant?...one bite at a time...

men in general, not just black men, cause this is prevalent in all races, in some way, shape or form...but you feed these men the truth of mannerism in spoonfuls (being that the men shown in that video aren't 9 n 10 yrs. old anymore) lol...

but for the younger children, you raise them on this in there childhood...it starts when your a child, it starts in the home, it starts w/ the parents...and again i don't doubt that some of those men are parents themselves, throwing them in jail will only make things worst...but when people create an environment for positive growth, and enforce that positivity within...some amazing things happen....

Anonymous said...

I disagree with the poster who claimed that no one harasses white girls like that. I'm a white woman and I have been followed, catcalled, grabbed, and groped by black men, white men, hispanic men, and asian men. Trust me, white women get harassed as much as anyone else. I'm 33 years old and have been getting catcalled (and worse) now for 19 years. I do not dress like the women in the video shown on this blog, not even in my own house. My demeanor is ladylike, and I keep my skirts to the knee always. I have an extremely hourglass shape so I always take care not to show too much skin. I also avoid eye contact with men I don't know, because I don't want to be perceived as friendly or inviting. I still get harassed. I used to live in Atlanta in my late teens and early twenties and I was traumatized by the amount of verbal and physical harassment I received. Freaknik scared the hell out of me. I would have to lock myself in my apartment for three or four days, because it was common knowledge that any woman on the street that weekend was fair game. Whether or not it is fair to point out, I will note that black men do catcall me frequently and that I've been physically assaulted by two black men. So the idea that black men are only targeting black women for harassment is simply wrong.

Watching the video posted on this blog was sickening. It reminds me why I won't go to areas with rowdy nightlife, why I can't walk alone at night, and why I always have to be careful of what I am wearing. I do think some of the women were wearing clothing that was extremely inappropriate, but it is still no excuse for grabbing and insulting them. It was very frightening to watch a woman being held against her will and groped, no matter how skimpily she was dressed.

I've been catcalled and physically harassed in all sorts of outfits anyway. It doesn't seem to matter how covered up one is, or what class one is perceived as belonging to. Men who harass just seem to see tits and ass, or youth, or a pretty face, or even just a dress and starting honking, whistling, and commenting away. Sometimes I get honked or whistled at before the guy can even take a look at my face. What the hell? It's like some kind of reflex, some compulsion to intimidate any woman walking alone.

I did appreciate the blog post. I wish there were more reformed harassers out there.

Anonymous said...

Just to add to my last comment, many, if not most, of the black men who have harassed me appeared to be middle-class. They were on college campuses or driving nice cars or well-dressed. I don't think this is a problem endemic to street thugs. Men of all classes and all races harass. For example, asian men are usually considered to be small and weak and milquetoasty for whatever ridiculous cliched reasons, but in the space of one year, I was molested by two different asian men, one of whom grabbed me off the street, and had a third asian man grab me on the street and twist my arm (physically) because I didn't respond to his 'hello'. It's dangerous and silly to pretend that some groups of men are harassers and others aren't.

clnmike said...

Anon,

Sorry you had to go through that, thanks for your insight.