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Thursday, April 12, 2012
More Inanity From Sean Hannity
Damn, Fox "News" is predictable! Just the other day at a family get together, me and some of my relatives were talking politics as we often do. I was telling them about one of Fox's favorite tricks in their worn out playbook: have black guests come on to spout "fear of a black planet" type rhetoric in order to give it some credibility. Almost on cue, GOP waterboy Sean Hannity has on Deneen Borelli and David Webb to whip up fear over President Obama's "ties" to the New Black Panthers. These two should be ashamed of themselves. But hey, as long as those Fox checks keep rollin' in, why worry about such minor things as honor and integrity.
Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks breaks down the silliness that is Fox "News" in the clip below:
FOX "News" is not a cable news provider. It's the propaganda arm of the GOP, and as such I give it as much credence as I do Rush Limbaugh, i.e., NONE. BTW, Hannity is a major jerk, I learn more listening to my pet rock than I do listening to him.
What? A version of the KKK? Then they must have been out lynching whites and burning swastikas on lawns, right? Maybe they share ignorance and hate, but they surely do NOT share the history of violence. More false equivalence.
FOX(R) is pure propaganda. How many liberals have their own show on FOX(R)?
Zero. Who's on the payroll? Palin, Rove, North, Hannity, etc.
Keep chugging the koolade folks. It's "fair and balanced" flavored. Yes it is. There's both the Right, and radical Right, perspectives.
Shaw: I have tried to watch Hannity's show in its entirety, but I rarely (if ever) make it to the end. The serial lying, hypocrisy, whining, etc. become too much to bear and I find myself switching over to Rachel Maddow.
Leticia: Your comments read like a press release for Fox. Both Deneen Borelli and Sean Hannity distorted the facts in an attempt to tie President Obama to the NBP. I did find the supposed "incriminating" photo they were talking about:
It's clear to anyone with an objective eye that Obama and Shabazz just happen to be in the same shot. To say they are together is ridiculous! If you still think Borelli and Hannity were truthful in their depiction of then-candidate Obama and Shabazz at the 2007 event, I'd love to hear your argument.
dmarks: Shaw's right in her description of Fox. It's possible to put forth a conservative viewpoint without resorting to propaganda. It's a shame Fox hasn't realized this.
Also, as Dave stated in his comments, your comparison of the NBP to the KKK is nothing but false equivalency.
Dave Dubya: Fox and its followers can keep saying the channel is fair and balanced, but that doesn't make it true. The irony is that if Fox was fair and balanced, it's followers would switch to another channel.
Fox tries to pass off Greta Van Susteren as a liberal. However, anyone who tosses softball questions at people like Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh isn't a liberal (or much of a journalist) in my book.
Dave said: "What? A version of the KKK? Then they must have been out lynching whites and burning swastikas on lawns, right?"
They are a version of the modern Klan: a group that promotes and demands race hatred and violence, but ends up connected to few actual instances of violence. The New Black Panther klan has famously put out a death warrant on that Zimmerman character, for one example.
"Maybe they share ignorance and hate, but they surely do NOT share the history of violence. More false equivalence."
There's nothing false. Perhaps you are just excusing racism, and that is the real problem.
"FOX(R) is pure propaganda. How many liberals have their own show on FOX(R)? "
You use this word to mean "information you happen to disagree with". Used that way, it has no meaning at all.
"There's both the Right, and radical Right, perspectives."
Now I wonder what you have been drinking. The Radical Right has little to no exposure on any media anywhere. Except maybe shortwave. There is evidence that you are viewing any view as different from yours as "radical" without any regard to whether or not it really is radical. That's senseless.
"The serial lying, hypocrisy, whining, etc. become too much to bear and I find myself switching over to Rachel Maddow...."
At which point you find the exact same sort of serial lying, hypocrisy, and whining. Except it has a (D) after it instead of an (R) this time, so this time you aren't angry, but instead get a warm and fuzzy feeling.
I have a dislike and growing stronger for all such shows, and from this distance it is easy to see the hypocrisy of the Left when they bash Fox News for doing certain things, and praise MSNBC for doing it also.
dmarks: Your "the other side does it too" argument doesn't work. The whining is a matter of opinion. However, I think Sean Hannity does it a lot. However, the serial lying and the hypocrisy committed by Sean has been well-documented. The video I posted here is yet another example of the dishonesty committed by some of the people on Fox. Yet, you haven't commented on it specifically. Why?
Since you accused Rachel Maddow of being a serial liar and a hypocrite, I want you to give me examples of her doing it. Don't make me grow old waiting.
Someone may bring up Morgan Freeman, Halle Berry and Samuel L. Jackson to prove me wrong but I'm going to consider them as exceptions for now.
There used to be a time during the 80's when if you were black and if you couldn't get a job on a Cosby show, then you played the pimp or the whore or some other criminal on some other gig. It was work, not the noble kind of work that you would want to put on your mantlepiece, but it was work and it helped pay the bills and who cared if it encouraged the stereotype by cannibalizing what was good about other black people. Borelli, Webb and Williams who wasn't in the clip, remind me of days.
They show up for their paycheck ready to condemn what we all know is wrong but then link it to something or someone else in order to make their master's point or hawk their books that no one in their right mind is buying.
When you need to spice up your program a little, why not add a little color to it (pun intended) with people who are willing to feast on their own
I am only saying what I believe is true. And I do watch the other networks as well, but sometimes they are so clearly biased in their stories that I can't help but wonder, did they forget what they were taught in journalism? Just the facts?
I want the facts, that's it. Hannity is a talk show, so he is allowed to voice his opinion.
But newscasters and reporters need to tell the story and allow the viewers to make up their own minds.
I posted a link to a bunch of Maddow lies earlier. Did you not get it? It was easy to find in a search. You see, there are hardline right-wing groups exactly like Media Matters that dig up the dirt on ideological opponents too. It's all the same on both sides.
dmarks: No, I didn't get any link to Maddow's lies. Please repost.
However, I do recall you commenting on a January post I did about Rachel exposing GOP lies. When I pointed out that your link to debunk Rachel was an epic fail (it referred to the Canadian govt, not the U.S.), you quickly deleted the comment. Remember that one? :-)
Curious: Your analogy comparing today's black pundits to black actors during the 80s is a fairly good one. However, I will stick up for Juan Williams. Although Juan can make some head scratching comments, he's been a much needed voice of reason the last few times I've seen him on Fox.
As for Borelli and Webb, they follow a formula that me and some of my family talk about sometimes:
Question: If you're black and want to get rich, what's an easy way to do it?
Answer: Get on TV/radio or write a book in which you dog out black people.
I don't know if she can't because of oontract reasons or if she just won't, but I'd love to see Borelli go on a non-Fox show and discuss her book "Blacklash" with someone who would give her push back. It would be fun to watch someone like Al Sharpton or Soledad O'Brien go up against Borelli and her nonsense.
Leticia: Whether or not you want to admit it, Fox is biased in some of their reporting. I'm not just talking about their opinion shows. I'm referring to their so-called "straight news" programs as well. Just to be clear, I'm not here to defend the other networks. I'm focusing on Fox because it's the subject of this post.
"I want the facts, that's it. Hannity is a talk show, so he is allowed to voice his opinion."
Just because someone hosts a talk show, that doesn't let them off the hook from maintaining basic journalism standards. Hannity is entitled to his opinions on his show. However, he isn't entitled to his own facts. He was distorting the truth when he said there was a photo of then-candidate Obama and Shabazz.In my earlier comment, I asked what you thought of Borelli and Hannity's depiction of then-candidate Obama and Shabazz at the 2007 event. Do you think Borelli and Hannity were being truthful? If so, how?
To people like you, Sharpton will never live down the Tawana Brawley incident. If you wanna take shots at him, that's cool. However, don't think I've forgotten about the alleged link you posted exposing a bunch of Rachel Maddow's lies. The clock is still ticking. :-)
dmarks: Speaking for myself, when I accuse Fox of propaganda, it has nothing to do with ideology. It is possible to espouse a conservative point of view (or any political belief for that matter) without resorting to propaganda. Unfortunately, I and many others feel that Fox often engages in propaganda in order to sway public opinion.
As for your comments about the Radical Right, that all depends on your definition of the term. I consider people like Jerome Corsi, Pamela Geller, and Rep. Allen West members of the RR and all have appeared on mainstream political programs. Just to be clear, I don't put conservatives such as Peggy Noonan, Joe Scarborough, and George Will in the RR category.
How to spot the radical Right? If they spew crap like Glenn Beck, saying Obama is a "racist who has a deep-seated hatred for white people". The above mentioned Allen West and Nugent belching about commies in the White House and House of Reps.
Yes. I certainly disagree with that, and not because it is "information".
This is pure propaganda in the radical fascist sense. Why do think radical Right Republicans need to borrow from the Nazis in framing political opponants as communists?
They are not promoting an agenda for the best interests of the country, they are pushing for anti-democratic minority rule to facilitate greater accumulation of wealth and power for the economic elites.
Moderate Republicans like Spector and Snowe have told us the party has gone too far to the Right.
Yes, we hear plenty of radical Right propaganda from FOX(R).
My question would be this. Show me where the Right has promoted anything to benefit the majority over the interests of the wealthy.
Dave: And the clock continues to tick, lol. Maybe part of the reason the Fox "News" supporters dig in their heels is because they think we are gonna say "I told you so" when if or when they finally wake up and realize they're being played for suckers. I'm not going to rub it in their faces. I'll just say something along the lines of "props for seeing the light" and leave it at that.
22 comments:
FOX "News" is not a cable news provider. It's the propaganda arm of the GOP, and as such I give it as much credence as I do Rush Limbaugh, i.e., NONE. BTW, Hannity is a major jerk, I learn more listening to my pet rock than I do listening to him.
Fox News is a cable news provider. Shaw is using the term "propaganda" to mean information she simply does not like.
As for the new Black Panthers, they are are version of the KKK but with another skin color. All the ignorance, hatred, and supremacy are there.
Fox News is unbiased and report the facts and truth and allow their viewers to come to their own conclusion and opinion. Nothing wrong with that.
Hannity doesn't pull any punches and I think he does a fantastic job.
What? A version of the KKK? Then they must have been out lynching whites and burning swastikas on lawns, right? Maybe they share ignorance and hate, but they surely do NOT share the history of violence. More false equivalence.
FOX(R) is pure propaganda. How many liberals have their own show on FOX(R)?
Zero. Who's on the payroll? Palin, Rove, North, Hannity, etc.
Keep chugging the koolade folks. It's "fair and balanced" flavored. Yes it is. There's both the Right, and radical Right, perspectives.
Shaw: I have tried to watch Hannity's show in its entirety, but I rarely (if ever) make it to the end. The serial lying, hypocrisy, whining, etc. become too much to bear and I find myself switching over to Rachel Maddow.
Leticia: Your comments read like a press release for Fox. Both Deneen Borelli and Sean Hannity distorted the facts in an attempt to tie President Obama to the NBP. I did find the supposed "incriminating" photo they were talking about:
http://dennisclatham.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/malik-zulu-shabazz-and-then-senator-barack-obama-at-the-42nd-anniversary-right-to-vote-and-bridge-crossing-jubilee.jpg
It's clear to anyone with an objective eye that Obama and Shabazz just happen to be in the same shot. To say they are together is ridiculous! If you still think Borelli and Hannity were truthful in their depiction of then-candidate Obama and Shabazz at the 2007 event, I'd love to hear your argument.
dmarks: Shaw's right in her description of Fox. It's possible to put forth a conservative viewpoint without resorting to propaganda. It's a shame Fox hasn't realized this.
Also, as Dave stated in his comments, your comparison of the NBP to the KKK is nothing but false equivalency.
Dave Dubya: Fox and its followers can keep saying the channel is fair and balanced, but that doesn't make it true. The irony is that if Fox was fair and balanced, it's followers would switch to another channel.
Fox tries to pass off Greta Van Susteren as a liberal. However, anyone who tosses softball questions at people like Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh isn't a liberal (or much of a journalist) in my book.
Dave said: "What? A version of the KKK? Then they must have been out lynching whites and burning swastikas on lawns, right?"
They are a version of the modern Klan: a group that promotes and demands race hatred and violence, but ends up connected to few actual instances of violence. The New Black Panther klan has famously put out a death warrant on that Zimmerman character, for one example.
"Maybe they share ignorance and hate, but they surely do NOT share the history of violence. More false equivalence."
There's nothing false. Perhaps you are just excusing racism, and that is the real problem.
"FOX(R) is pure propaganda. How many liberals have their own show on FOX(R)? "
You use this word to mean "information you happen to disagree with". Used that way, it has no meaning at all.
"There's both the Right, and radical Right, perspectives."
Now I wonder what you have been drinking. The Radical Right has little to no exposure on any media anywhere. Except maybe shortwave. There is evidence that you are viewing any view as different from yours as "radical" without any regard to whether or not it really is radical. That's senseless.
"The serial lying, hypocrisy, whining, etc. become too much to bear and I find myself switching over to Rachel Maddow...."
At which point you find the exact same sort of serial lying, hypocrisy, and whining. Except it has a (D) after it instead of an (R) this time, so this time you aren't angry, but instead get a warm and fuzzy feeling.
I have a dislike and growing stronger for all such shows, and from this distance it is easy to see the hypocrisy of the Left when they bash Fox News for doing certain things, and praise MSNBC for doing it also.
dmarks: Your "the other side does it too" argument doesn't work. The whining is a matter of opinion. However, I think Sean Hannity does it a lot. However, the serial lying and the hypocrisy committed by Sean has been well-documented. The video I posted here is yet another example of the dishonesty committed by some of the people on Fox. Yet, you haven't commented on it specifically. Why?
Since you accused Rachel Maddow of being a serial liar and a hypocrite, I want you to give me examples of her doing it. Don't make me grow old waiting.
Someone may bring up Morgan Freeman, Halle Berry and Samuel L. Jackson to prove me wrong but I'm going to consider them as exceptions for now.
There used to be a time during the 80's when if you were black and if you couldn't get a job on a Cosby show, then you played the pimp or the whore or some other criminal on some other gig. It was work, not the noble kind of work that you would want to put on your mantlepiece, but it was work and it helped pay the bills and who cared if it encouraged the stereotype by cannibalizing what was good about other black people. Borelli, Webb and Williams who wasn't in the clip, remind me of days.
They show up for their paycheck ready to condemn what we all know is wrong but then link it to something or someone else in order to make their master's point or hawk their books that no one in their right mind is buying.
When you need to spice up your program a little, why not add a little color to it (pun intended) with people who are willing to feast on their own
I am only saying what I believe is true. And I do watch the other networks as well, but sometimes they are so clearly biased in their stories that I can't help but wonder, did they forget what they were taught in journalism? Just the facts?
I want the facts, that's it. Hannity is a talk show, so he is allowed to voice his opinion.
But newscasters and reporters need to tell the story and allow the viewers to make up their own minds.
I posted a link to a bunch of Maddow lies earlier. Did you not get it? It was easy to find in a search. You see, there are hardline right-wing groups exactly like Media Matters that dig up the dirt on ideological opponents too. It's all the same on both sides.
dmarks: No, I didn't get any link to Maddow's lies. Please repost.
However, I do recall you commenting on a January post I did about Rachel exposing GOP lies. When I pointed out that your link to debunk Rachel was an epic fail (it referred to the Canadian govt, not the U.S.), you quickly deleted the comment. Remember that one? :-)
Curious: Your analogy comparing today's black pundits to black actors during the 80s is a fairly good one. However, I will stick up for Juan Williams. Although Juan can make some head scratching comments, he's been a much needed voice of reason the last few times I've seen him on Fox.
As for Borelli and Webb, they follow a formula that me and some of my family talk about sometimes:
Question: If you're black and want to get rich, what's an easy way to do it?
Answer: Get on TV/radio or write a book in which you dog out black people.
I don't know if she can't because of oontract reasons or if she just won't, but I'd love to see Borelli go on a non-Fox show and discuss her book "Blacklash" with someone who would give her push back. It would be fun to watch someone like Al Sharpton or Soledad O'Brien go up against Borelli and her nonsense.
Leticia: Whether or not you want to admit it, Fox is biased in some of their reporting. I'm not just talking about their opinion shows. I'm referring to their so-called "straight news" programs as well. Just to be clear, I'm not here to defend the other networks. I'm focusing on Fox because it's the subject of this post.
"I want the facts, that's it. Hannity is a talk show, so he is allowed to voice his opinion."
Just because someone hosts a talk show, that doesn't let them off the hook from maintaining basic journalism standards. Hannity is entitled to his opinions on his show. However, he isn't entitled to his own facts. He was distorting the truth when he said there was a photo of then-candidate Obama and Shabazz.In my earlier comment, I asked what you thought of Borelli and Hannity's depiction of then-candidate Obama and Shabazz at the 2007 event. Do you think Borelli and Hannity were being truthful? If so, how?
"It would be fun to watch someone like Al Sharpton or Soledad O'Brien go up against Borelli and her nonsense."
Sharpton's a human cartoon. There's always this albatross around his neck, also: the Tawana Brawley hoax.
To people like you, Sharpton will never live down the Tawana Brawley incident. If you wanna take shots at him, that's cool. However, don't think I've forgotten about the alleged link you posted exposing a bunch of Rachel Maddow's lies. The clock is still ticking. :-)
dmarks: Speaking for myself, when I accuse Fox of propaganda, it has nothing to do with ideology. It is possible to espouse a conservative point of view (or any political belief for that matter) without resorting to propaganda. Unfortunately, I and many others feel that Fox often engages in propaganda in order to sway public opinion.
As for your comments about the Radical Right, that all depends on your definition of the term. I consider people like Jerome Corsi, Pamela Geller, and Rep. Allen West members of the RR and all have appeared on mainstream political programs. Just to be clear, I don't put conservatives such as Peggy Noonan, Joe Scarborough, and George Will in the RR category.
The "Maddow Lie Watch":
Day 5.
Tick, tick, tick...
The "New Black Panther Murder List"
1. ?
Perhaps there's a reason why the Klan hides under hoods? I guess that's another big difference.
Say, just where is that "death warrent"? Would that perchance be on the "Maddow Lie" list?
Anybody can be wrong, right? Consequences be damned.
Poor Rev. Al. He's forever tarnished. Unlike Bush and Cheney for Saddam's ties to Al-Qaeda, biological labs, WMD's, and "nukular" aluminum tubes.
The Big Lie works.
How to spot the radical Right? If they spew crap like Glenn Beck, saying Obama is a "racist who has a deep-seated hatred for white people". The above mentioned Allen West and Nugent belching about commies in the White House and House of Reps.
Yes. I certainly disagree with that, and not because it is "information".
This is pure propaganda in the radical fascist sense. Why do think radical Right Republicans need to borrow from the Nazis in framing political opponants as communists?
They are not promoting an agenda for the best interests of the country, they are pushing for anti-democratic minority rule to facilitate greater accumulation of wealth and power for the economic elites.
Moderate Republicans like Spector and Snowe have told us the party has gone too far to the Right.
Yes, we hear plenty of radical Right propaganda from FOX(R).
My question would be this. Show me where the Right has promoted anything to benefit the majority over the interests of the wealthy.
Dave: And the clock continues to tick, lol. Maybe part of the reason the Fox "News" supporters dig in their heels is because they think we are gonna say "I told you so" when if or when they finally wake up and realize they're being played for suckers. I'm not going to rub it in their faces. I'll just say something along the lines of "props for seeing the light" and leave it at that.
dmarks: Please explain how Dave Dubya's statements were untrue.
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