I consider my family exceptionally fortunate to be living in an area right outside of Chicago that is considered one of the most racially and culturally diverse areas in the country. The teens attending our local high school were born in 72 different countries and 75% of them speak one of over 50 different languages, other than English, in their homes.
Adding to the mix of cultural and racial diversity are the financial differences between the families in the immediate area. While the majority are considered middle class, I would say that 1 in 5 students would probably be considered wealthy by most people’s assessment, while another 20% are from low-income families living considerably below the poverty level. If you stand still in the school’s parking lot and look to the south, you see huge homes...mansions, really, with an address located in one of Chicago’s most affluent suburbs. These homes are meticulously maintained by maids and landscapers and luxury automobiles adorn the driveways.
If you look to the north, you see slumlord apartment buildings and government assisted housing located up and down the blocks of several streets. This area is not part of the affluent suburb. It is owned by Cook County and it is run down, filthy and unfortunately, chock full of drugs, gangs on the street corners, violence and an almost constant police presence.
These two neighborhoods do have something in common, though. When school gets out for the day, you see children of all races and ethnicities crossing the street to the north, as well as the south. Just like my own middle class street, the neighborhoods themselves are diverse.
A rather lengthy intro, but I felt that it needed to be described. If there’s one thing I have learned growing up and living in this area is that it is ridiculous to “stereotype” anyone based on race, their name, where they live, where they came from or what religion they may or may not practice. It just can’t be done and anyone who believes it can really is quite shortsighted.
I also bring with me a perspective from working at a police department in this same area. I hold an Associate’s in Law Enforcement and a Bachelor’s in Criminal Justice. I worked for ten years as a Police and Fire Dispatcher and 911 Operator. My husband has been a police officer for 20 years and is not an ass, a racist or unkind, nor are any of our police officer friends. This certainly doesn’t mean that these types of people don’t exist in police departments. There are racist people everywhere, but to say that all people who wear blue are “like this or that” is no different than putting any common stereotype onto anybody else. It just can’t be done.
I’m leading up to something here, I swear.
What led me to ask Malcolm if I could contribute to Diversity Ink was the previous post entitled “Police Detains NFL Player Whose Mother-In-Law is Dying” written by Pjazzypar. Pjazzypar and I are bloggy buddies. We are frequent visitors to each other’s blogs and, in a lot of ways, share similar ideas, likes, senses of humor and I’m crazy about her, even though she always knocks me off the podium at Malcolm’s weekly trivia games.
Pjazzy ends her post with the following question: “Was the officer just being difficult or is this incident racially motivated?” I have to say, based on what I see on that tape, neither.
We have to remember these tapes are seen with a gift of knowing the outcome of the story before seeing the video. This hindsight is something that the officers and the people involved in exchanges like this do not have as it is happening.
At the start of the video, I see an officer attempting to stop a vehicle for (what we are told -it’s not on the tape-the taping starts when the lights are turned on) running a red light. I’m also going to say that based on the distance between the two vehicles, that the officer has no idea of the race of the driver or even how many people are in that car. For the next 60 or so seconds, all that officer knows is that the driver is ignoring his signals to stop. He does not know who they are, where they are going or why they are not stopping. It could be Mother Teresa, Ryan Moats or Ted Bundy. He can run the plate, but that doesn’t mean the registered owner is driving that car.
Traffic stops are a dangerous thing to do even when people comply. When people refuse to stop, it puts the officer and the general public in an even more dangerous situation. Police officers are human beings, when they get stressed or perceive a threatening situation they respond with the same biological responses we all do... increased heart rate, anxiety and way more adrenaline pumped and reactive than they would normally be outside of those circumstances.
It is a dangerous job and situations like the one we are watching on the tape can and sometimes do end in tragic situations for all parties involved. One of my police officer friends was involved in a low speed pursuit similar to this one. He had no idea why the guy wasn’t pulling over. My friend followed this vehicle through a turn and by the time he had completed his own turn, the driver of the pursuit vehicle had exited his vehicle and pumped 4 bullets through the windshield of my friend’s squad car. One had struck him in the chest but he was saved by the bullet proof vest. My friend shot back through the windshield, striking “bad guy” in the head and killing him. It turned out that this guy had just committed an armed robbery, although my friend was only pulling him over for a minor traffic violation.
Not only did Moats run a red light, he also committed the act of fleeing by not stopping. Fleeing from police, while never a good idea, is a misdemeanor in a lot of places. I looked up Texas’ statues and there it’s a state jail felony, punishable by no less than 180 days and no more than two years in prison, as well as a fine of up to $10,000.
There’s no doubt that Moats is ignoring the officer’s request to stop. The officer has no idea what is going on and is getting ready to make a felony stop. He should have his gun drawn under these circumstances. He’d be an idiot if he didn’t.
The vehicle does pull up to the emergency room parking lot and all of the occupants immediately start exiting the vehicle. All of them are obviously agitated, not exactly listening to him and the officer still doesn’t know what is happening at this point.
We then hear Ryan Moats yelling something to the officer while he is calling in the location of his traffic stop and requesting backup. The officer asks him for his driver’s license and Moats starts yelling that his mother is dying. He’s asked again for his driver’s license and his insurance and first Moat’s tells him he doesn’t have any insurance. When the officer tells him he will have to tow the car, Moats then says he does but tells the officer to “go get it” because he doesn’t know where it is.
Moats is, what some might call, uncooperative and is setting the tone for this entire incident.
I do understand Moats is upset, as anyone would be under similar circumstances. He is experiencing a personal emergency. A personal emergency is when an individual finds themselves in a situation that causes them to believe they are in an emergency situation when they really aren’t. It can be a tragic and emotional situation, but neither Moats nor the occupants in his vehicle are in immediate danger of losing their lives, physical health or property. A personal emergency does not give anyone the right to break laws, ignore the police and possibly endanger their own lives and those of others, nor can the police give anyone the right to do these things, even though there’s a common misconception among people that it does.
Because the officer and Moats are different races, though, doesn’t mean that this incident has racial undertones, nor do I feel that Moats was being harassed because the officer drew his gun or detained him while he wrote the ticket based on what happened. The officer is not obligated to verify his story. Moats is obligated to obey the law.
Monday morning quarterbacking allows us to make judgements and come to conclusions that we might not normally make while involved in a situation. We all come with our own experiences that alter how we perceive things and we’ve all been in situations where, in hindsight, we all wish that we might have acted differently. But, just because one of the parties in this incident is black and one wears blue does not automatically mean that what we see on the tape is racism or harassment.
Was Moats out of line? Very much so. Was the cop rather jerky at times he didn’t need to be? No doubt about it, but I can understand why they both behaved the way they did at the time. It doesn’t make it right.
It makes them both wrong.
12 comments:
Excellent inaugural post Jessica! You make good points about the officer not knowing the race of the driver of the car and when you said that race isn't always a factor when blacks and whites are involved. Because the officer was placed on administrative leave and later resigned from the department, I'm left with the following questions:
1. Did the officer have a history of questionable treatment of minorities while on the job
2. Did the police chief bow to public pressure and throw the officer under the bus?
3. Was it a combination of the above two scenarios or neither?
Hey Malcolm, there are definitely a lot of unanswered questions in this incident and if I had to guess, I would say that a) they were already looking to get rid of him for something or b) it's because a celebrity/sports figure was involved. I'm leaning toward "b" because I have to question why the video was released to the media, but it could very well be both scenarios.
We had once incident when I worked at the PD involving a Chicago basketball star during the 90's Bulls run. He shall remain nameless ;) Anyway, there was a really bad accident on the expressway and the police and fire dept had shut it down to one lane in order to cut the people out of the wreckage. Well, he was late for a game so he decided to get onto the shoulder and not even all that carefully, decide to speed past the emergency equipment.
He was stopped and when the license plate was called in, one of the supervisors happened to be standing in the dispatch center and we were told to let him go immediately. Heaven forbid he didn't make it to the game on time and no department needs that kind of bad publicity.
There's a big part of me that thinks if this traffic stop did not involve a celebrity, that officer would still be working there and the nation wouldn't have even heard about it.
Hey Rock Chick,
First allow me to join Malcolm in welcoming you to Diversity Ink. I welcome the opportunity to listen to well-thought out opinions, even when they differ from my own.
I'm much too weary to get into the many different ways I disagree with you on this issue, but I do hear what you're saying, respect your views and champion your right to express them.
Personally, I'm glad videos like these receive the media attention they do. I think they help keep folks honest, law enforcement officials in particular.
One of my brothers-in-law worked in law enforcement both in the miltary and as a civilian, until he retired. Not long ago, I watched my first cousin get pinned with a major's badge. My husband's best friend has been a policeman for years. I love all of those men dearly and would never want to see any of them harmed. But I refuse to defend foolishness in any form.
As someone who was raised as a military brat, I grew up around folks who handled weapons on a regular basis. And the one thing I know about guns, is that if a trained individual pulls one, his/her aim is to kill, not to maim, to scare, not to warn . . . to kill. These men and women in blue are armed public servants and trained to handle and often times diffuse crisis situations. Yes, their lives are at risk on a daily basis, but far too often so are ours when we encounter them.
My first thought when I watched this video was, "Please Lord, don't let him shoot these people."
I think the use of a little common sense on the officer's part could have easily diffused this situation, instead, he chose to be an ass. The extent to which bias played into his actions, we'll never know, but I'm sure some. Change just a couple of those factors in that same situation and I'm willing to bet my own life, it would have turned out differently.
Yes, my opinions are colored by a number of negative interactions with the police, my own and those of my loved ones. Bias is a part of life and our experiences influence both our opinions and our behaviors. If more folks would admit such, I believe the world would be a much better place.
I make my own son watch videos like these on a regular basis and I've been instructing him on the proper way to interact with police since he was six years old. Why? Because he's a Black male and from the looks of things he's gonna be a big guy, which in the eyes of some automatically makes him a suspect, guilty of something . . . as is my law-abiding husband who has been stopped, made to spread eagle and had guns pulled on him, as is my father, the retired veteran and my uncle, now deceased, who received an unmerciful beating in the hands of the police for a crime he didn't commit.
From what I understand, the officer in question resigned, he wasn't fired. To be honest, I don't think his actions warranted a firing, but definitely a reprimand. Was he pressured by forces within the department to quit? With all due respect, I'd truly be shocked if that were the case.
Hi Lori! Thank you for the welcome. I actually agree with a lot of the points you raised in your response. As you know firsthand, there are many, many police officers out there who are really good people and from your experiences, I can tell you've also come across some that weren't all that wonderful, as well. By no means do I mean to say that bad cops don't exist. They do. I've worked with some of them. That is wrong and a disgrace to the good people who honor their badge. I'm in no way defending those types of cops.
My point in this particular incident was that I did not see any basis for thinking outright that whatever transpired in this incident had anything to do with racism. My opinion is that Moats' actions were way out of line and we appear to be dealing with a rather inexperienced, I think, police officer here.
I read an article about him and he stated that he had never been involved in a traffic stop like that before and I believe that. He hadn't been on the job all that long. It doesn't excuse his jerkiness after he was completely aware of the situation and there was no longer any perceived threat. Like I said, in this case, they are both wrong.
I just don't think it's a good thing if generalizations are made about anybody regarding things like race, religion or even a job they have. To me, this particular incident has to do with bad judgment on both sides.
Hey Rock Chick, Welcome aboard! Glad to have you here with us. I just noticed your post today and I am on my way to work, so I can only comment briefly. First of all, although he had only been on the job for a couple of years, according to reports here in Dallas, this was not the first time this officer showed poor judgment. He also knew exactly who he was pulling over because he ran the plates. He knew the age, race, and sex of the automobile owner. I have more to say, but I am out of time. Will be back later. Again, welcome.
Thanks, Pjazzy! I'm so excited to be a part of this with all of you! I'm eagerly awaiting your full comments (since it was you that I picked on after all! LOL)
I have to agree that there had to be some previous problem in the judgement area with this officer for the department to be coming down on him like they did. There is definitely something more to this story!
I don't know what information comes back through Texas' Department of Motor Vehicles. Here when you run a license plate, you get the name and address of the registered owner. If the person submitted his drivers license number along with the vehicle registration, that information would come back as well. There is no race listed on our drivers licenses in Illinois, only the birthday, height, weight and eye color. We are not even asked our race here for a DL or anything really, except for school related forms. That may differ in Texas.
The other part we have to remember is that there is no way to know that the registered owner of that vehicle is the one driving. He could have loaned the vehicle to someone or it could have been stolen and either not yet reported or not yet in the system.
The one thing I am curious about that maybe you can answer is how well known Ryan Moats is in Dallas? I have to admit, I am not a football fan and I had never heard of him. I am very curious to know the likelihood that the officer knew of him or at least knew of him by name.
Hey Rock Chick, I don't know football either, but I have read that he was born in Dallas and is a local hero. I got this from Wikipedia "He rushed for a school record 4,782 yards, and 56 touchdowns. Moats was also named Offensive MVP of the DFW (Dallas/Fort Worth) All-Star game, following his senior season at Bishop Lynch.In addition to being named the Offensive MVP of the DFW All-Star game, Moats was voted MVP of the 2006 Main Mein's squad and was widely regarded as the steal of the draft".
I still don't know if the officer knew Moats, but if he is a football fan like practically everybody down here (football is like a religion) it is a possibility.
You mentioned they were both wrong; however the officer showed poor judgment and absolutely no compassion after knowing what was actually going on (a hospital representative and another police officer urged him to let the Moats go). I do not feel the officer was thrown under the bus. Police Departments nationwide can ill afford to have officers who show poor judgment. I realize there are many good officers out there, unfortunately it is the one who exhibit bad behavior that get all of the attention. This officer had absolutely no reason to pull his gun.
I know people of color who are afraid to pull over when they see flashing lights, not necessarily because they have done anything wrong, but because they fear the police. While this officer was not the worse offender, if he had not been stopped his behavior might well have escalated. The officer offered an apology to the Moats family. Innocent people don't apologize.
You made some good counterpoints and gave me some food for thought :-)
Pjazzy, thanks for the info. The fact the officer might have known who he was was one thing that didn't occur to me until after I wrote the post and not that I believe Moats was right-I don't-I think it might sway my opinion to even how more wrong the officer might have been in detaining him as long as he did. His celebrity doesn't excuse his actions, but certainly it would be easier to locate him again if need be.
It is the bad officers and incidents that get this kind of video attention and I suppose that's partly was bothers me in this scenario. I still disagree that he was wrong to draw his weapon. I don't know how officers are trained in other parts of the country, but my husband and our friends on the department all said they would have had him at gunpoint and on the ground until they knew what was going on after he didn't stop.
I'm not certain if the apology was genuinley offered up or not. Even as a Police Dispatcher, I was ordered to apologize to people who were upset when I refused to do something...like send an ambulance for a dog. The woman complained because I have a German last name and she was Jewish and she was certain that's the reason I didn't care about her dog. (I'm not even German, my husband is, and my grandfather was Jewish) I actually did care about her dog and I felt sorry that she was so upset, but I can't send an ambulance for a dying dog and I couldn't tie up 911 lines for non-emergencies. Anyway, she complained even to the Mayor and it was decided that I should apologize for cutting short her 911 call even though I was polite and there was nothing I could do.
The responses I'm getting to my post have given me much food for thought, too, and I'm so glad! I know I'm probably more pro-police than I should be, but I see and hear on a regular basis the unnecessary abuse a lot of them take from the general public. It does go both ways, though, there's no doubt about that.
I so appreciate all of your welcomes and the counter ideas to those I've expressed in my post. I'm really looking forward to more postings on here. This is one of the most intelligent and thought-provoking blogs I've ever come across. Thanks again!!!
That is an entirely different way to view the situation.
With the video, only providing the end result, you only see a jerk of a cop who's holding - for all intents and purposes - an innocent man. A black man to boot. Cue the reactionaries.
But in the context, running a light and refusing to stop, it puts an entirely new spin on the situation.
And the fact that he's a famous athlete shouldn't sway treatment. Atletes go bad like everyone else. Ask the Bengals fans.
I have to go back on my original assessment of this cop being a jerk. A cop in Texas recently shot a student athlete on his own front lawn. These incidents are light years apart and I think this cop did what he felt was necessary and showed restraint. If you fault a man for that, you can fault him for anything.
It's seeming to me like a bad situation that neither party could control, yet it was controlled rather well.
I highly doubt that anyone - under the circumstances Rock Chick laid out - would have been treated differently. After taking into account the light run and subsequent pursuit and the refusal to cooperate, I'm not sure anyone should be treated differently by the cop.
It's sad what was actually going on, but it's true that type of situation does not excuse breaking the law. And being "famous" doesn't make you any less of a risk -- assuming the cop knew who it was.
Thank you for your comment, Josh. I'm a big believer that in most instances there's at least two sides to a story and the actual truth may lie somewhere in between the two versions.
There's no doubt in my mind that Moats and the officer are both highly emotionally charged up when this takes place. The officer is young, said he had never been involved in a stop like that before (which I 100% believe) and was probably scared himself of what unknown situation in which he was now getting involved. He might even be amped up from a previous call, but their emotions and responses are definitely feeding off of each other.
I really believe the issue on this tape is that Moats didn't pull over when signaled to do so. Based on what I see on this tape, the cop doesn't seem incredibly or way over the top jerky based on the circumstances. I may be wrong, but I still believe that had he pulled over and just explained the situation, he would have been with his mother-in-law.
Jessica, this is well written and well thought. I'm glad to see that you are showing the "other" side of the situation. As you know, I live in in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. Not only did I not believe that the incident was "racially" motivated, I was stunned at the age of the officer. I can't find reference to his age right now, but he was just a young man, without a heck of a lot of "experience." I think my own kids are older, and I can't imagine them dealing with that kind of situation.
Put in his shoes, dealing with someone who had run a red light and was obviously agitated, I'd be scared silly. I might be a bit of a jerk myself.
While I sympathize with the Moats family and wish this hadn't happened, I wish that this young officer's life hadn't been ruined as well. You are right--they were both wrong.
Hi Shelly!!! Thank you for stopping by and for your comment! I think the officer was about 25 years old. I believe I also read that he was on the job for three years, which really isn't all that much. When he stated that he had never been involved in a situation where the driver didn't stop at his signal, I completely believe that.
I can totally understand the emotions of both parties involved in this. It wouldbe kind of cool if we all came equipped with a "calm down, I am making this situation worse" button, don't you think?
Thanks again for stopping over here!~
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