tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post6955960031287492607..comments2023-10-24T04:47:49.032-04:00Comments on Progressive Soup: Heroes and Villains of 2010Malcolmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-28371895751628495662011-02-05T05:22:11.303-05:002011-02-05T05:22:11.303-05:00Don't you see?. I'm Slow and Blogs are Fas...Don't you see?. I'm Slow and Blogs are Fast. I haven't had the Chance to Fully Support my Arguments and it is not as if I am Unwilling, yet you are Closing the Comment Thread. I was just getting Ready to Ask you to Remind me Again what you want me to Support and yet I guess we're Out of Time. I just don't Like it when the Hare Judges the Turtle. Hares Think they are So Smart, yet if they are too Cocky, the Turtle Wins the Race.<br /><br />The intention was not to turn this into a race to see who could get their facts the quickest. However, I didn’t think it would take you several weeks to supply the requested evidence. Also, when I (aka “The Hare”) have already provided factual evidence to back up my statements, the best that you (aka “The Turtle”) can hope for is a tie. J <br /><br />As you may have noticed, I write posts for Diversity Ink on average every 1-2 weeks. In addition to having a life away from the PC, another reason I don’t post as frequently is because many of the topics I touch on are current events that require research. I could easily slap something together in an effort to be more timely. However, I’d rather it take me a few days to get all the facts on the story and write something that’s factual.<br /><br />I checked out the link you provided about the MSM's handling of the Tuscon tragedy. For a man who claims his show is "The No-Spin Zone", Bill O'Reilly is a master of spin. I find it curious that Bill O'Reilly left out a key sentence from the NYT's editorial. Before the portion that he posted and read, the editorial stated the following:<br /><br />"It is facile and mistaken to attribute this particular madman’s act directly to Republicans or Tea Party members."<br /><br />Hmmm, funny that Bill left that out. For O'Reilly to call out MSNBC for hateful rhetoric is a joke. He and many of his Fox News colleagues specialize in demonizing those who disagree with them. O'Reilly's "proof" that the media blamed Sarah Palin for the Tuscon tragedy is flimsy as hell. The clip from CBS News didn't state that Palin was to blame. It simply reported that Palin's crosshairs map included Gabrielle Giffords' name and that Giffords and others expressed concern that someone unstable could act on that imagery. That is what is known as reporting the facts, something which O'Reilly has a problem doing. Bill O'Reilly is alright sometimes, but Edward R. Murrow he is not.<br /><br />If I didn't say so already, I hope you return to Diversity Ink to join in on the topics discussed. Even though I will likely disagree with you, I like hearing opposing viewpoints.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-91508843466020830512011-02-05T05:21:48.608-05:002011-02-05T05:21:48.608-05:00Lista: The reasons I said this comment thread had ...Lista: The reasons I said this comment thread had run its course is because:<br /><br />A. We had gotten away from the topic of the post.<br /><br />B. We just ended up going 'round and 'round without seeming to get anywhere.<br /><br />At any rate, I'll address your last set of comments and then call it a day on this thread.<br /><br />You said: "Well, if the Time Issue is not Sufficient, then Perhaps it is a Priority Issue, such as Placing the Priority of Taring Down Arguments Ahead of the Priority of Supporting Arguments. If this Priority Decision was Incorrect, then I Apologize, yet I shouldn't have to Justify my Tiredness, Lack of Interest, Inability to Keep Up or Any Other Human Weakness that I Have because of my Own Humanness."<br /><br />If you are unwilling/unable to provide evidence to support your arguments due to the reasons you cited above, fair enough. However, I don't think it's fair for you to ask others to do what you aren't willing/able to do.<br /><br />You said: "Just Because a Blogger is Highly Efficient doesn't Make all that he or she Believes in Correct."<br /><br />I never said that it necessarily did. However, when I’m providing facts to back up my arguments, there’s no debating them.<br /><br />You said: "If Liberals Keep Pointing Out Racism in the Tea Party and the Point to it is not to Establish that the Tea Party is Racist, then what is their Point? I can't see any Point to it besides that. If that's not their Point, then what is it?"<br /><br />The reason that I and others point out racism within the Tea Party is that we see it as a problem that could mushroom if the more responsible members of the movement don't address it. Just in case I wasn't clear, we are not saying that being a Tea Party member automatically makes one a racist. However, lying about the existence of racism and/or looking the other way isn't going to make it go away.<br /><br />You said: "I'm Tired! Do I have to Justify that? Is that Statement Weak as Well? Why am I Required to Justify Myself to you Guys? Do I not Have the Right to Make the Decision to Go Away if I Want to? And if I do have that Right, then do I not also have the Right to not Do the Web Research Required in Order to Satisfy you Guys? Or at the Very Least, to do it at my Own Pace?, for I did not Place any Time Limits on my Requests for you to Back Up your Arguments."<br /><br />You don't have to justify anything. Again, if you want me to provide evidence to back up what I say, that's a fair request. When I type something here (be it a blog post or a comment), I am pretty much already prepared to back up my argument. In that regard, I don't have to do a lot of research because I usually know where I've read or seen the info in question. If I don't the first time around it's for brevity's sake or because I'm assuming most people already know what I'm talking about.<br /><br />You said: "It is Necessary to Know the Names of those Politicians who Voted for the Health Reform Bill. That's Public Information. That's not Hate Speech.<br /><br />As to "Don't Retreat, Reload", Chuckle, Well, Perhaps she Could have Worded that Differently, but it's just a Metaphor, so I Still Think that even Calling this Hate Speech is a Little Exaggerated."<br /><br />Again, I never said the crosshairs map or "don't retreat, reload" constitute hate speech. What I did say is that type of imagery/rhetoric needs to be reconsidered given the fact that we are living in an era of such political divisiveness. <br /><br />To be continued...Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-74516081989363863032011-01-26T17:36:47.708-05:002011-01-26T17:36:47.708-05:00You Know, Here is a Link that Might Help to Back U...You Know, Here is a Link that Might Help to Back Up the Problem with the Liberal Media...<br /><br />http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2011/01/16/4-reasons-why-the-msm-botched-the-tuscon-massacre-and-why-they-owe-the-victims-and-sarah-palin-an-apology/<br /><br />The Blog Author Sort of Chose Colors that are Hard on the Eyes and he went on and on to the Point in which I didn't Bother to Read it all, but what I did Read was Good and the Very First Video Shows Evidence that when a Person, such as O' Reilly, says that the Media is Biased in a Liberal Direction, it is not as if he does so without Providing Evidence. Whether you Like the Guy or not is Really Beside the Point. The Evidence Presented is Still Evidence.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-59810072518686133562011-01-26T17:20:15.075-05:002011-01-26T17:20:15.075-05:00I'm not a News Junky. I'm just a Person w...I'm not a News Junky. I'm just a Person who Knows when I've Heard Good Arguments and when I've Heard Poor Ones. I Require Patience from those that I Talk to and there are some Blogs that I have to Avoid for this Reason. I Sense that you are the Type of Person, Malcolm, who does have the Ability to be Patient with me, but I do not Think that Dusty does.<br /><br />It is Necessary to Know the Names of those Politicians who Voted for the Health Reform Bill. That's Public Information. That's not Hate Speech.<br /><br />As to <i>"Don't Retreat, Reload"</i>, Chuckle, Well, Perhaps she Could have Worded that Differently, but it's just a Metaphor, so I Still Think that even Calling this Hate Speech is a Little Exaggerated.<br /><br /><i>"Actually, Sarah Palin is one of the least offensive in this regard."</i><br /><br />Well, I Thank you for That, for I Actually Happen to Like Her. This is a Highly Emotional Issue, though, and it is Hard to Keep Speech Fully Under Control when the Issues are really Important to those who are Speaking.<br /><br />Don't you see?. I'm Slow and Blogs are Fast. I haven't had the Chance to Fully Support my Arguments and <b>it is not as if I am Unwilling</b>, yet you are Closing the Comment Thread. I was just getting Ready to Ask you to Remind me Again what you want me to Support and yet I guess we're Out of Time. I just don't Like it when the Hare Judges the Turtle. <b>Hares Think they are So Smart, yet if they are too Cocky, the Turtle Wins the Race.</b>Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-20390721959474341782011-01-26T17:07:06.011-05:002011-01-26T17:07:06.011-05:00Hi Malcolm,
I'm Actually Sort of Hoping that y...Hi Malcolm,<br />I'm Actually Sort of Hoping that you will not Mind if I Put One Last Set of Comments Beneath this Post.<br /><br /><i>"For you to say you have a life away from the computer when we ask you to back up your statements is weak."</i><br /><br />Well, if the Time Issue is not Sufficient, then Perhaps it is a Priority Issue, such as Placing the Priority of Taring Down Arguments Ahead of the Priority of Supporting Arguments. If this Priority Decision was Incorrect, then I Apologize, yet I shouldn't have to Justify my Tiredness, Lack of Interest, Inability to Keep Up or Any Other Human Weakness that I Have because of my Own Humanness.<br /><br /><b>Just Because a Blogger is Highly Efficient doesn't Make all that he or she Believes in Correct.</b> Think about it and you will Realize that what I am Saying is True.<br /><br />There is a Possibility that I should not have Entered into this Discussion in the First Place, yet what Dusty Needs to Realize is that that it is not Because there are not Valid Republican Answers to all of your Questions.<br /><br /><i>"With the exception of Janeane Garafalo, I haven't heard any public figure say that the Tea Party as a whole is racist.",</i><br /><br />If Liberals Keep Pointing Out Racism in the Tea Party and the Point to it is not to Establish that the Tea Party is Racist, then what is their Point? I can't see any Point to it besides that. If that's not their Point, then what is it?<br /><br />I'm Tired! Do I have to Justify that? Is that Statement Weak as Well? Why am I Required to Justify Myself to you Guys? Do I not Have the Right to Make the Decision to Go Away if I Want to? And if I do have that Right, then do I not also have the Right to not Do the Web Research Required in Order to Satisfy you Guys? <b>Or at the Very Least, to do it at my Own Pace?</b>, for I did not Place any Time Limits on my Requests for you to Back Up your Arguments.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-23125079771550488552011-01-24T23:24:17.297-05:002011-01-24T23:24:17.297-05:00Lista: When you asked me to provide evidence to b...Lista: When you asked me to provide evidence to back up claims I made, I was cool with it. For you to say you have a life away from the computer when we ask you to back up your statements is weak. I have an active life away from the computer too, as I am sure Dusty does. If you want back up, I‘ll give it to you. I think it’s only fair that you return the favor when we ask the same of you. <br /><br />I checked out the link you provided to a post asking for an end to accusations of racism against the Tea Party. Whether or not anyone uttered the N-word at Rep. John Lewis, who’s to say? However, just because there is no audio evidence doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. With the exception of Janeane Garafalo, I haven't heard any public figure say that the Tea Party as a whole is racist. Yet, I keep hearing conservatives repeat the same tired line that liberals are painting all Tea Partyers as racists. Sorry, but that's a right-wing talking point with no basis in fact. Although I think the Tea Party has a racist element, I don’t think all Tea Party people are racists. Think of it this way. I feel that the Michael Jackson/Paul McCartney song “The Girl Is Mine” is a mediocre track. However, that doesn’t mean I think the album “Thriller” as a whole is a mediocre album. <br /><br />My reference to hateful rhetoric was directed at Glenn Beck and not Sarah Palin. However, the reference to violent imagery was directed at both of them. My inclusion of both of them in that sentence didn't make my feelings clear; that's my fault. As for the use of violent imagery by Palin: <br /><br />1. The map by her PAC which used crosshairs and listed politicians who voted for health reform by name.<br /><br />2. The constant use of terms such as "don't retreat, reload".<br /><br />Just to be clear, I don’t Sarah Palin intended for anyone to literally take up arms. However, in the current heated political climate, using imagery/terminology which conjures up guns isn’t a good idea. Hell, I’ve seen photos of Tea Party protesters with signs that say, “We came unarmed… this time!” <br /><br />Actually, Sarah Palin is one of the least offensive in this regard. Michelle Bachmann once said she wanted Minnesotans "armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back." Joyce Kaufman, the former aide to Rep. Allen West said at one of his rallies, ““if ballots don't work, bullets will”. I don’t think there’s any misconstruing what these ladies meant. <br /><br />I think this comment thread has run its course. However, I hope you come back to comment on future posts at Diversity Ink. However, when you do, come correct because you will get challenged if you don’t.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-19982662952784894022011-01-24T15:13:20.324-05:002011-01-24T15:13:20.324-05:00So go Away Already. What are you Waiting for? I ...So go Away Already. What are you Waiting for? I found Little of Substance in your Links either, which I have, In Fact, Read Every One, though I haven't had the Time to Respond.<br /><br />You Need to Get Over Yourself as well. I Gave you No Time Limit in which to Produce the Evidence that I Requested. The Fact that you have the Ability to Produce more Links with a Greater Speed than I can does not in any Way Prove that your Argument is Superior. Only that you are a Fast Reader, Typist, Web Searcher and/or have more Time to Spend at the Computer. Since I have Just Told you Several Things that you are Probably better at than me. How is it that I Need to <i>"Get Over Myself"</i>?Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-84847271836935310242011-01-24T14:03:37.230-05:002011-01-24T14:03:37.230-05:00Lista,Get over yourself. You have provided nothing...Lista,Get over yourself. You have provided nothing of substance. Nothing. For you to even suggest you have shows how little respect you have for Malcolm or our intelligence. Adios you little rightwinger you!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-39830180546290629102011-01-24T13:51:52.363-05:002011-01-24T13:51:52.363-05:00If I do Bother, Dusty, it will not be for your Sak...If I do Bother, <b>Dusty</b>, it will not be for your Sake, but for Malcolm's. I did not Come to this Post to Talk to you anyway. I came here to Talk to Malcolm. You Wanted me to Offer Proof and I did so. If you choose not to Read it, that is your Business, but stop with your Accusations that I can not Produce it.<br /><br />Here's another Link that you can Avoid Reading, while Insulting me. If Malcolm Read's it, or is just Reminded of the Story, then I have not Wasted my Time.<br /><br />http://letterstoadyingdream.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/stop-it-with-the-bullshit-racism-charges-already/<br /><br />I have not Refused to Support my Position, Dusty. I've Given you Two Links now, but Nothing's going to Satisfy you.<br /><br /><i>"That is a great way to say you have no way to back up your assertions."</i><br /><br />Assumption of Motive has Never Been a Good Argument in Support of anything. Perhaps I should Guess your Motives now for your Decision to Stop Reading what I'm Saying. Let's see. Could it Be Because you Only Like Listening to and Reading what you Agree with?<br /><br />See. I can Accuse to, but I Know that such is not an Argument. It's just an senseless Assumption and Accusation, so I'm not Going to Assume that I Know the Answer to that Question.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-44170218296376735962011-01-24T09:08:42.701-05:002011-01-24T09:08:42.701-05:00Hey Lista,
Don't bother, as I won't be re...Hey Lista,<br /><br />Don't bother, as I won't be reading anything Breitbart as to say to support your harebrained pov. biggovt is his site as he is the punk ass bitch who fabricated the racist lie against Shirely Sherrod. He offers nothing to support shit. <br /><br />You have the audacity at the beginning of this conversation to say that I do not support my pov and now you <b>refuse</b> to support yours simply because you have a life apart from your computer? <br /><br />HAHAHAHAHA..whatever. That is a great way to say you have no way to back up your assertions. <br /><br />Bye, I won't be reading your senseless dribble any longer as I have better things to do.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-77318975108999934822011-01-24T04:43:36.578-05:002011-01-24T04:43:36.578-05:00Don't you see, Malcolm, I'm Going to Have ...Don't you see, <b>Malcolm</b>, I'm Going to Have to Listen to that Clip again in Order to Respond to your First Paragraph. Also, to Answer Questions about <i>"What?"</i> and <i>"Who?"</i>, I have to do Web Research because I Rarely Ever Remember Details Off the Top of my Head Like That, though I did Happen to Find that Story and the Link is in my Response to Dusty.<br /><br />You Invited me Here, Malcolm. I did not Come because of Interest in the Subject. And I did not come Here to be Insulted about what Details I do or do not Know just off the Top of my Head about a Subject of your Choosing. Web Research is not my Specialty. Evaluating the Validity or Lack there of of Arguments is what I do Best. I do not See Why I should Apologize for that.<br /><br />In Reality, I have not Come Back Empty Handed, I just Can't Keep Up with the Pace at Which such Evidence is Expected.<br /><br /><i>"The 'everyone else does it' defense doesn’t fly."</i><br /><br />In General, that is True and yet when Talking about the Comparison of Groups, I do not Believe that the Republicans are any Worse than Liberals are and this is Why the Accusations that are Being Thrown Back and Forth between the Two are Pointless, but to Prove this, I would have to Participate in a Mud Slinging Match and I Honestly and Truthfully am not Into that Sort of Thing.<br /><br />The Real Problem, though, is that Accusing a Few within a Group of Something is Meaningless if this is not what the Group as a Whole Represents. This is Called Generalizing and Stereo Typing and is Basically no Different than Racism, which is just another Form of Stereo Typing.<br /><br />I'd like to see you Produce Evidence that Sarah Palin has Said anything thing that is <i>"Hateful"</i> or <i>"Violent"</i> in Nature. That's Hard for me to Believe. That is not to say, however, that if you don't Produce such Evidence Immediately that I'm going to Assume that you Can't. I'm not Like That.<br /><br />In Fact, Since I'm a Slow Reader, I'd Actually Prefer it if you would Only Provide One Link.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-5862512846823562092011-01-24T03:42:23.012-05:002011-01-24T03:42:23.012-05:00Hi Malcolm,
It Looks Like you Wrote while I was Re...Hi Malcolm,<br />It Looks Like you Wrote while I was Responding to Dusty and I Want to Say again how Greatly I Appreciate the Fact that you have Expressed Interest in my Point of View and I Mean that Sincerely, yet it is not Worth it to me if I am Going to Be Kept on the Defensive by a Pack of Liberal Wolfs. Forgive me for Saying that. It's just that I am Intelligent, and yet a Slow Reader and this is why Web Research is a Little Hard for me, as Well as the Reading and Responding to a Large Number of Web Pages.<br /><br />Between Dusty's 4 Links and your 4 Links, I'm just not Up for this. I Guess I can do this, but it may be Several Days Between Comments. Whether Dusty Chooses to Judge me for that or not, so be it.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-54981816339482895062011-01-24T03:16:05.686-05:002011-01-24T03:16:05.686-05:00Hi Dusty,
When I said that you were Impatient and ...Hi <b>Dusty</b>,<br />When I said that you were Impatient and Judgmental, Dusty, I was Responding to the Most Recent of your Comments just Prior to me Saying it. I was Responding to your Words...<br /><br /><i>"Lista has done nothing but call out everyone here. She hasn't backed up squat about her 'positions'."</i><br /><br />You are Forgetting, Dusty, that we have a Three Against One Situation Here, so it's Hard to Keep Up and I Happen to have a Life Apart from the Computer.<br /><br />Like I said, Dusty, the Accusation against the Tea Party was also a Lie. And when I Say this, I am Referring to the time in Which Money was Offered as a Reward for Proof of a Certain Accusation Relating to a Certain Event and no Proof could be Produced, so it was an Out Right Lie.<br /><br />Ok Fine. Here is a Link to the Story.<br /><br />http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/03/25/2010-a-race-odyssey-disproving-a-negative-for-cash-prizes-or-how-the-civil-rights-movement-jumped-the-shark/<br /><br /><b>I'm not going to do Massive Amounts of Web Research, though, Dusty, for the Sake of Recalling Mud that could be Slung at Liberals.</b> Nor am I Going to Do it for the Sake of Defending against Mud Slung at Me. I'm not Like that. It has nothing to do with rather I Can or Can't. It is a Matter of Time and Energy, but go Ahead an Accuse me of Something Else. Judge me and Feel Certain that you Know my Motives for Reluctance to Participate. That Appears to be what you do Best.<br /><br />In My Opinion, it is Pointless to go Over and Over this, Continually Accusing Each Other and than Pointing Out the Discrepancies in the Accusations. In my Opinion, Dusty, this Particular Comment Thread is Nothing More than a Mud Slinging Match. I Usually don't Participate in such and if I Go Away again and you Assume it is because I can not Produce Evidence, then you are Assuming my Motives and Being Judgmental. To be Honest, I do not Quite have the Time for the Type Dialogue and <b>Web Research</b> that you Appear to be Requiring, <b>just for the Sake of Slinging Mud</b> at Each Other.<br /><br />I've Got More to Say, but I also Happen to have a Life Apart from the Computer.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-60564969914464817922011-01-24T01:01:10.752-05:002011-01-24T01:01:10.752-05:00Lista, you said: "Oh and BTW, In the more Cur...Lista, you said: "Oh and BTW, In the more Current News Story, as was Mentioned by Malcolm, the Liberal Media was Trying to Blame Conservatives, such as Sarah Palin, for the Shooting of the Congress Woman in Tuscon, yet Later when they Caught and Interviewed the Guy who did the Shooting, they Realized that these Claims were False. Fox was the Only News Channel that Aired this Story. The Other's just Ignored it because it did not Support their Earlier Accusations."<br /><br />To say that Fox was the only news channel not to blame conservative public figures for the Tuscon tragedy is simply not true. I have heard people like Ed Schultz and others of the so-called liberal media say that conservatives such as Sarah Palin were not responsible. In fact, what I've heard TV commentators say is that although the hateful rhetoric/violent imagery of people like Palin and Beck aren't responsible for the Tuscon tragedy, it is possible that this type of reckless behavior could potentially lead to violence.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-28202619370607360762011-01-24T00:14:19.032-05:002011-01-24T00:14:19.032-05:00Lista: We're getting caught up in semantics he...Lista: We're getting caught up in semantics here. Monica implied that Cynthia said we are nation of bigots and racists. Again, that's not even remotely true. As the entire clip that I linked to shows, Cynthia didn't put voter anger and resentment in a totally racial context. If Fox News had any integrity, they would have played all of Cynthia's comments. <br /><br />You said: "They Accused the Tea Party of Racism, Malcolm, and no Evidence Supporting that Accusation Could be Produced. That is Simply a Fact and there is no Weakness at all in that Argument."<br /><br />Who is “they”? If you are referring to the NAACP, I already provided a link debunking the lie that the NAACP accused the Tea Party in general of being racist. Here it is again:<br /><br />http://www.clicker.com/tv/morning-joe/Jealous-We-aren-t-saying-Tea-Party-is-racist-1008825/<br /><br />Evidence has been produced that there are elements of racism within the Tea Party. Follow the link below and tell me that some of those signs don't have tinges of racism:<br /><br />http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1013&bih=517&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=tea+party+racist+signs&aq=1&aqi=g3&aql=&oq=tea+party+racist<br /><br />Mark Williams of the Tea Party Express was denounced by David Webb of the Natl. Tea Party Federation for the following offensive letter:<br /><br />http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/07/tea-partier-mark-williams-writes-open-letter-to-lincoln-from-the-coloreds/<br /><br />A Tea Party candidate for Arkansas governor was also a White Nationalist:<br /><br />http://electionink.com/showthread.php/1717-KKK-Tea-Party-Billy-Roper-for-governor-of-Arkansas<br /><br />When Dusty said you’ve done nothing but call us out, I believe she was referring to the fact that you accused us of not producing evidence to back up our claims. In each case, Dusty and I came back with ample evidence. You on the other hand haven’t. When I asked you “Are you prepared to back up your statement that all TV news stations except for Fox are liberal?”, I guess the answer is “no” because you came back empty handed. Dusty asked you “Why don't YOU provide some examples of where the teabaggers were unjustly accused of lying and/or racism?” Again, you came back empty handed. <br /><br />When I provide several examples of how Fox News lies and distorts the truth, you respond by saying “Also, All News Stations Push Lies and Misinformation.” First of all, the “everyone else does it” defense doesn’t fly. Furthermore, I don’t even know why you’d make a blanket statement like that unless you are prepared to back it up. Can you back up your claim that all news stations push lies and misinformation?Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-973544485022423852011-01-23T22:14:21.522-05:002011-01-23T22:14:21.522-05:00Here ya go Lista, a WaPo story from Jan of this ye...Here ya go Lista, a WaPo story from Jan of this year: Republican school board in N.C. backed by tea party abolishes integration policy. <br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011107063.html?sid=ST2011011202619<br /><br />Seems the South plans to rise again! No racism there right?? Not even a hint of it. right?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-9032484086466154032011-01-23T21:49:14.380-05:002011-01-23T21:49:14.380-05:00Yes, Dusty, and you are Highly Impatient, as well ...Yes, Dusty, and you are Highly Impatient, as well as Judgmental. Um, I quoted you directly here:<br /><i>Well, if it is True that what Shirley Sherrod was Accused of is a Lie, than since the Racists Accusations against the Tea Party was also a Lie, then I guess that Makes us Even</i> The Breitbart edited video was a total fabrication of racism against Shirley Sherrod. He never apologized nor did your friends at Fox news. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/22/shirley-sherrod-sue-andrew-breitbart<br /><br />As for teaparties not being racists, here is a nice little example of one of their own who btw actually claims to be a founding member, caught holding a sign with the word niggar on it. http://www.mediaite.com/online/tea-party-leader-that-claimed-no-slurs-now-famous-for-n-word-sign/ not enough for you? Here is another article on the same guy at the same rally: http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader <br /><br />If you want to argue the context of the NYT article, you are barking up the wrong tree and I refuse to go there with someone of your ilk...sorry ain't gonna happen as you bring nothing to the table, other than accusations. You bring nothing to support your positions, because you can not...unless you want to turn to Fox News or the Washington Times. <br /><br />Oh, and Who interviewed the shooter Lista? Try being more specific ok? Jesus.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-89460731589024731752011-01-23T19:31:28.462-05:002011-01-23T19:31:28.462-05:00PS - Oh and BTW, In the more Current News Story, a...<b>PS</b> - Oh and BTW, In the more Current News Story, as was Mentioned by <b>Malcolm</b>, the Liberal Media was Trying to Blame Conservatives, such as Sarah Palin, for the Shooting of the Congress Woman in Tuscon, yet Later when they Caught and Interviewed the Guy who did the Shooting, they Realized that these Claims were False. Fox was the Only News Channel that Aired this Story. The Other's just Ignored it because it did not Support their Earlier Accusations.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-39049792473073605662011-01-23T19:20:50.534-05:002011-01-23T19:20:50.534-05:00More for Dusty,
If you do not Believe that I am no...More for <b>Dusty</b>,<br />If you do not Believe that I am not a Racists and are Determined to be Judgmental and to Think Otherwise of me, there is nothing that I can do about that.<br /><br />I'm not sure what I called you Out On and by the Way, if you do Happen to be of a Different Race, I am not Aware to that Cause I do not Know you and have not Read your Profile.<br /><br />Oh, I Guess you're Brown. With the Use of the <i>"Find on this Page"</i> Button, I Now Realize that you have Said that Once Before and you Probably will not Believe me when I Tell you that I Missed it the First Time you Said it, yet believe it or not, that is the Truth. Being Brown, though, is not a Free Pass for you to Call all Criticism Racism.<br /><br /><i>"Do you, Lista, still believe what Breitbart did to Sherrod was accurate and true? How in the hell can you even suggest that 'we are even'?"</i><br /><br />I did not Say that I Believe that the Story is Accurate and True, I Said is that if it isn't, then we are Even Because the Story about the Tea Party is also not True. You Even Quoted it and yet Still Didn't Hear it Right. <br /><br /><b>Dave Splash</b>,<br />If you were to Change your Quote to Refer to Two Gangs without the Mention of any Names, or to Two Countries, Chosen at Random without Regards to Color, the Statement would not be Racist. Your Claim is Based on Nothing more than the Fact that people Mentioned in the Statement, just Happen to be of Color.<br /><br />There was Actually a Significant Financial Reward Offered Once for anyone who could Produce Proof of the Accused Racial Remarks made at a Certain Tea Party Event and no One Could Produce any and that is why we are Even.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-34078216723189216172011-01-23T19:07:55.847-05:002011-01-23T19:07:55.847-05:00Biased News
When a News Media is Biased in the Dir...<b>Biased News</b><br />When a News Media is Biased in the Direction that you Prefer, you are not as Likely to Notice it. I'm sure that Eric Alterman is Biased just Like Everyone Else. For a Book on this Subject to be Believable, it would have to Contain both Liberal and Conservative Authors that were both in Agreement on the Issue.<br /><br />The Opinion of One Conservative in an Interview does not Impress me. He is by Far Out Numbered by other Conservatives who Disagree.<br /><br />Mostly the Criticism that the Left Media has been Given has to do with Stories that they do not Bother to Cover, such as some of the Progress that was Made in the War During Bush's Term in Office.<br /><br />Well, yeh, I Agree that Fox should not Claim to be <i>"Fair and Balanced"</i>. No News Station can Make that Claim. Not a Single One.<br /><br />Also, All News Stations Push Lies and Misinformation.<br /><br />What Tea Party Signs are you Referring to. Our Tea Party Forbids such Signs. Once in Awhile People Show Up that are not a Part of Our Group, though, so we have Actually Made Additional Signs with Arrows on them that say <i>"They are not a Part of Our Group"</i>.<br /><br /><b>Dusty</b>,<br /><i>"So Lista, you believe that racism only affects black people? Seriously?"</i><br /><br />I Never Said that and Never Would. Also, How can you be Sure of the Actual Motives and Meanings of These Code Words? <i><b>"States Rights"</b></i>, For Example, does not always Refer to Racial Issues. If you Read the Entire History of the <i><b>"Southern Strategy"</b></i>, as Malcolm has given a Link to, you will Realize that this is True.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-8280829329273224782011-01-23T18:58:13.340-05:002011-01-23T18:58:13.340-05:00Yes, Dusty, and you are Highly Impatient, as well ...Yes, <b>Dusty</b>, and you are Highly Impatient, as well as Judgmental. Here is what I Wrote Earlier in my Word Processor.<br /><br />Hi <b>Malcolm</b>,<br />I did not in any Way Hear either Monica or Dr. Metzler Say that Cynthia Accused <b>ALL</b> Whites of Being Racists. Monica, for the Most Part, was Talking about the Tea Party and from what I can Gather, Dr. Sawyer was Talking about the Incident with Shirley Sherrod. I don't Recall Cynthia's Name being Said by either Monica or Dr. Metzler.<br /><br />Whether than Giving me Evidence of what Cynthia said, you had Better give me Evidence of what you say she was Accused of Saying.<br /><br />If I Mistakenly Address you as the Author of something that you did not Write, this doesn't Change what I was Saying to or about the Actual Author, whoever that may be.<br /><br /><i>"Do you realize that a mosque was actually in the World Trade Center on 9/11?"</i><br /><br />You Know, sometimes things get so Confused that I'm not Even Sure anymore who is Assuming Motive. Are the Liberals Assuming the Motive of Racism or are those Opposing the Mosque Assuming the Motives of those who want to Build the Mosque? My Guess is that Both of these Things are Occurring. Politics are so Emotional and No One Seems to Give Anyone the Benefit of a Doubt for anything.<br /><br /><i>"The point of this post was to highlight those who I feel have made things better or worse in regards to race."</i><br /><br />Generally, it Takes Two to Tangle and I don't Tend to Like Comparison Games for the Purpose of Establishing who is Worse and who is Better. We are all Human and Both Liberals and Conservatives say and Do Foolish Things.<br /><br /><i>"I’m criticizing Monica because her defense was weak."</i><br /><br />They Accused the Tea Party of Racism, Malcolm, and no Evidence Supporting that Accusation Could be Produced. That is Simply a Fact and there is no Weakness at all in that Argument.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-87992369525264410652011-01-23T18:31:56.603-05:002011-01-23T18:31:56.603-05:00Lista has done nothing but call out everyone here....Lista has done nothing but call out everyone here. She hasn't backed up squat about her 'positions'. When we have backed up ours..her line has been we are cough..even. <br /><br />I give her the benefit of the doubt on nothing at this point.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-3940781375165820582011-01-23T17:35:19.842-05:002011-01-23T17:35:19.842-05:00Hi Malcolm,
I'm Still Connected to this Post t...Hi Malcolm,<br />I'm Still Connected to this Post through my Email and yet I've been Rather Busy and Distracted Lately. Thanks for Giving me the Benefit of a doubt. I Greatly Appreciate that. I do Admit that I Watch Fox News more Often then the Other News Channels, yet as a Moderate, I do Listen to what Liberals Say more than a lot of the other Conservatives on the Web.<br /><br />I do not Disregard any of it Based on the Fact that the Information Came from a Liberal. In Truth, there are Liberals that I have Learned things from.<br /><br />Though I Admit that Racism as well as Prejudice does Exist, I also Believe that there are a lot of False Accusations going Around in Cases in which Racism does not Exist.<br /><br />I have Written Something rather Long that is Still in my Word Processor and I just have to Go Back and Proof Read it and Submit it. Perhaps I'll Try to Get to that Some Time Later this Evening, if not before.<br /><br />Yes, Malcolm, I am in the Same Very Busy and Distracted Boat. Thanks for the Nudge and the Communication that you are Interested in what I have to say. I did Hear you and I Thank You.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-90004457205193109622011-01-23T09:11:34.540-05:002011-01-23T09:11:34.540-05:00Dusty: Although my busy schedule doesn't allow...Dusty: Although my busy schedule doesn't allow me to post as much as I'd like, I will call out racism and bigotry when I see it. With some of the racist/racially insensitive comments that have been spouted by public figures during the Obama presidency, I've had trouble keeping up at times. <br /><br />As for Lista, she appears to be the typical Fox News viewer/sheep. However, I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I've laid out several instances of when Fox news has distorted the truth or outright lied in order to push the conservative viewpoint and have yet to hear a response from her. Again I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. Since my last comments here, the Tuscon tragedy happened. My preoccupation with this event and life in general has kept me from responding here sooner. Lista could be in the same boat. Because I am interested to hear her response to the facts you and I have laid out about Fox and Breitbart, I'm going to give her a nudge. <br /><br />Dave: When it comes to Rush and his racism, his loyal flock love playing the game "Defending the Indefensible". If Keith Olbermann had made any of the outrageous statements that Rush has uttered over the years, the right would have been calling for his head.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-45015701938384642832011-01-07T15:05:53.090-05:002011-01-07T15:05:53.090-05:00Well, if it is True that what Shirley Sherrod was ...<i>Well, if it is True that what Shirley Sherrod was Accused of is a Lie, than since the Racists Accusations against the Tea Party was also a Lie, then I guess that Makes us Even</i> Do you Lista, still believe what Breitbart did to Sherrod was accurate and true? How in the hell can you even suggest that 'we are even'? <br /><br />Why don't YOU provide some examples of where the teabaggers were unjustly accused of lying and/or racism?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698117410778232102noreply@blogger.com