tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.comments2023-10-24T04:47:49.032-04:00Progressive SoupMalcolmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comBlogger2493125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-59130933762751499502021-03-28T13:53:24.617-04:002021-03-28T13:53:24.617-04:00I so miss herI so miss herAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11569604792110106217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-35186819239812463242013-09-27T18:50:25.856-04:002013-09-27T18:50:25.856-04:00dmarks: And the truth is that I banned you from my...<i>dmarks: And the truth is that I banned you from my blog for using profanity in your comments.</i><br /><br />That isn't "the truth", it is a lie. I never used profanity on your blog. Everything else you said is also not the truth. (for a truthful account of what actually happened, <a href="http://www.w-dervish.blogspot.com/2013/02/saying-goodbye-because-im-going-to-be.html" rel="nofollow">see here</a>). That dmarks continues to peddle his lies everywhere he can has convinced me that HE is a pathological liar.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-2866337106176666022013-09-08T22:33:49.908-04:002013-09-08T22:33:49.908-04:00Bush was a big-government schmoe! Massive spending...Bush was a big-government schmoe! Massive spending, massive spying. <br /><br />And "lie" is harsh. Political nonsense is more like it, like not even being able to speak real talk but rather with highly-polled and calculated words and phrases. Forked tongue. <br /><br />Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-41113573478282216242013-09-08T21:36:01.985-04:002013-09-08T21:36:01.985-04:00Josh: If you ever find that clip of Al defending B...Josh: If you ever find that clip of Al defending Bill, let me know. As for why Al is now dogging Bill, could it be for reasons other than convenience? Is it possible that Al simply reevaulated Bill's comments and had a change of heart? Al probably wasn't happy that in those comments about Sylvia's, Bill took a swipe at Al (talking about how blacks are thinking more for themselves and moving away from the Sharptons and the Jacksons and the people trying to lead them into a race-based culture).Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-17295831331502038882013-09-08T21:07:30.168-04:002013-09-08T21:07:30.168-04:00Josh: So I guess you must think Reagan and Bush II...Josh: So I guess you must think Reagan and Bush II were big government schmoes as well. <br /><br />http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/paul-krugman-ronald-reagan-barack-obama-keynesian-economics.php<br /><br />So since President Obama became a politician, everything about his life is a lie? Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-35699252925472217722013-09-08T20:07:55.992-04:002013-09-08T20:07:55.992-04:00I don't think I really believe anything nefari...I don't think I really believe anything nefarious about the guy. <br /><br />Though I see him as little more than another big-government schmoe who wants government to do for people by way of more government. <br /><br />There are probably plenty of positive things I would believe about his life until he became a politician. Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-74034576754753369412013-09-08T19:58:05.228-04:002013-09-08T19:58:05.228-04:00Yeah, I wasn't trying to critique Dyson's ...Yeah, I wasn't trying to critique Dyson's overall comments; nor was I trying to really get into whether or not O'Reilly has a leg to stand on with his criticisms of the black community.<br /><br />Though I love to type and we can definitely get into all that. No biggie. <br /><br />I personally don't agree with the "out of wedlock" stuff O'Reilly preaches, as I don't really see marriage/traditional family as the most important factor like some religious people do. However, all these black mothers raising babies by themselves is a huge issue. (And it's an epidemic for all races, just disproportionately black). And the government giving mothers so much incentive to raise children on their own, while still tweaking a system that only demands money from fathers (or potential jail time), is crippling children. No amount of school funding or outreach programs are ever going to replace good parenting and good role models. <br /><br />Doesn't need to be a married household or even a two-parent household IMO. People just need to have some semblance of financial security before laying down and comin' up with more babies. <br /><br />And I don't know if it's a "new" idea, but what guys like O'Reilly are obviously saying is: Clean up the damn communities, stop having babies you can't afford to care for, and be better parents. Your own children are more Zimmerman than Zimmerman could ever Zimmerman. Who's raising the gang-bangers and drug dealers and dropouts and scum that are ripping these communities apart? Single mothers. So O'Reilly's definitely screaming about personal responsibility. I agree he doesn't want a "conversation"; he wants to scold folks for acting irresponsibly. <br /><br />So do I.<br /><br />STAHP!! <br /><br />I see that as very ideological, because a more left-leaning line there is: It's not your fault, black folks. You're victims. Sure, try to act more responsibly, but we need to funnel more money into schools, assistance programs, food banks, gas-card programs, daycare, housing, parenting classes, clinics, etc, because white folks have neglected you.<br /><br />But that's off on an entirely different topic. <br /><br />I was just pointing out that folks don't soon let things go, like I hold the leg thrills over Matthews' head. Only I'm just breaking balls and trying to joke on the guy. <br /><br />As for the link: I searched YT for the vid, but I can't find it. I remember it clear as day, though. Bill had Al on the show, via satellite, and Al was defending Bill's comments. Not staunchly like "Leave the man alone!" or anything. More in a roundabout way. But on Al's show it's a 180.<br />Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-18571671918550592682013-09-08T05:43:13.325-04:002013-09-08T05:43:13.325-04:00Josh: I'm not referring to any so-called self-...Josh: I'm not referring to any so-called self-appraisal by President Obama in his book(s). What I'm talking about is how he discussed his family, educational background, etc. However, if the reincarnation of "Honest Abe" Lincoln wrote a positive book about President Obama, you probably still wouldn't believe it, lol.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-19092777233636873132013-09-08T05:30:57.783-04:002013-09-08T05:30:57.783-04:00"Something else in proximity to the leg I'..."Something else in proximity to the leg I'm questioning with Matthews."<br /><br />C'mon, you're better than that Josh. <br /><br />Are you saying that Sharpton defended O'Reilly's comments about Sylvia's? Do you have a link to a video or transcript? I looked and couldn't find anything. <br /><br />Michael Eric Dyson's "throwing bananas" comment was over the line. However, you seem to be ignoring the valid points he made in that clip:<br /><br />1. How people like O'Reilly want to lecture blacks instead of having an honest conversation about race.<br /><br />2. How O'Reilly ignored the fact that President Obama has talked to African-Americans about personal responsibility as has other prominent blacks.<br /><br />3. How white-on-white crime is as devastating as the much more talked about black-on-black crime.<br /><br />O'Reilly's ideology doesn't have anything to do with how his comments about the black community are taken. Also, if he was a poor black who lived in Chicago, I doubt he'd be talking that nonsense. As for skin color being a factor, I'd listen to what Joe Scarborough has to say about race over any of the black conservatives at Fox whose profiles have risen since the election of President Obama (Jesse Lee Peterson, Deneen Borelli, David Webb, etc.).<br /><br />You talk about the same old stuff being rehashed from the left. What new ideas are O'Reilly and his ilk bringing to the table?Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-77933130718743400462013-09-05T18:40:40.050-04:002013-09-05T18:40:40.050-04:00D-district, even. D-district, even. Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-71004898220795354342013-09-05T18:36:09.008-04:002013-09-05T18:36:09.008-04:00Wanna read my book? I was an astronaut who really ...Wanna read my book? I was an astronaut who really invented the Internet. <br /><br />Seriously. Trust somebody's self-appraisal? I don't trust it. That goes for damn near all the schmuck politicians, city board members, community organizers, lobbyists, union leaders, social advocates, and on down the line, right, left or center. Public leeches. <br /><br />What I really wanted to know included: Was the Ayers thing legit? Because it seemed fishy. Didn't know the guy that well? Hmm. The maniacal preacher? As a non-religious person, that kinda shit troubles me. Let's hear more about it. 20 years! Inspired a book. Can I know more? No? Oh, it's racist to keep bringing it up? My bad. Let's just take the word of the man who's trying to win a contest. Pure propriety there. <br /><br />I wanted to know about Obama's Senate days when he was running for election and the personal records of his opponents were mysteriously being released to the public, previously under court-mandated lock and key.<br /><br />I wanted to know not about what he toked on in college but what he studied, what his writings were, where his head was at as a community organizer. Inside the Law Review, please. What did he do, with whom did he do it, and what sort of gains were made? Ah, I see. I don't need to know if he ever made a real difference in the real world, or how. He's so well-spoken and inspiring. <br /><br />These little curiosities were racist in 2008. I wouldn't be asking that of a white candidate, according to media. I would take the candidate's word for it, or I would believe the first piece of spun fabric put out saying "There was nothing fishy about those Senate races. Don't worry." <br /><br />As for 2000 being suspect: Apparently not to an abnormal level. I mean, HBO movies aside (Go Kevin Spacey!), they had ample time to deal with that stuff, for 13 years now. If there was anything there concrete that went beyond seeming wrong, they would have done Bush like OJ and gave him his nefarious election comeuppance for waterboarding. <br /><br />Democrats own the world here. Minus a few obstructionist Republicans, they can do what they want. Obama can bitch-slap Congress, and has. Holder does what he wants. Democrats have exponentially more political capital to spend. <br /><br />Or--and this seems rather likely to me--they don't want to call the Bush boys on their wrongdoings because they were also trying to stack the deck in recounts, being D-distract happy and attempting to cook books. <br /><br />Above board? Probably not. I don't think any election is, from prom queen to POTUS. But I don't think it's the huge conspiracy a lot of folks claim. Especially those liberal folk I know when I head down to the District for live work. My lord; these people H-A-T-E Bush. If Bush were black, in all honesty, I might seriously believe they were racists. <br />Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-12639652548978241322013-09-05T18:04:12.726-04:002013-09-05T18:04:12.726-04:00The spine doesn't seem as fanboyish as the leg...The spine doesn't seem as fanboyish as the leg. But that's just me. Something else in proximity to the leg I'm questioning with Matthews. <br /><br />As to O'Reilly and context: The context goes beyond what he said and/or what he really meant. Sharpton helped defend O'Reilly until convenient to throw him under the bus, and Dyson sat on national TV and said something to the effect of "O'Reilly was surprised the black folks weren't throwing banana peels." I forget the third guy I seen do it. <br /><br />So giving him grief over it is one thing; turning it into straight-up racism attacks is another entirely. <br /><br />I might be breaking Matthews' chops over this, but that's all I'm doing, ffs. Some folks take things too damn far. <br /><br />As to the "authority" bit: No doubt he isn't. Although, even if he were black, poor and lived dead-center Chiraq, his ideology would make his opinion all but void in the mainstream. So who is an authority on these matters? Hell if I know. I just know it seems to be a catch-22 if you're non-black and non-liberal. Don't say anything and it's "White people don't care." Say something that isn't the same old stuff just rehashed, it's "Stay out of it!" <br /><br />Only way to be seen as an authority or ally is to side politically with the ever-growing bureaucracy that wants more, more, more from the outside without wanting anything more from the inside. But that's certainly off topic. <br /><br />Matthews and his damn leg need to simmer down!<br />Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-41466781613577883472013-09-04T19:39:12.944-04:002013-09-04T19:39:12.944-04:00Josh: First off, I mistyped. Instead of the 2004 e...Josh: First off, I mistyped. Instead of the 2004 election, I meant to refer to the 2000 election. Now, do you think the outcome of the 2000 election was above board?<br /><br />I can't understand how some of you on the right still think President Obama wasn't properly vetted and that we really don't know anything about him. The man wrote two books, what else did you need to know?! lolMalcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-2185766024151714032013-09-04T19:24:58.221-04:002013-09-04T19:24:58.221-04:00Josh: He said this 5 years ago! I understand givin...Josh: He said this 5 years ago! I understand giving him some razzing, but I'd think you guys would update your material a bit. :-) I think a lot of you on the right are under the impression that Matthews has never criticized President Obama. Hopefully, you know better.<br /><br />I'm not sure where you're getting that Chris has a perpetual thrill up his leg. In his quote, he says he doesn't get that feeling often. Also, it wasn't the "hope and change" stuff which inspired Chris to make his infamous comment. It was then-candidate Obama talking about American exceptionalism (how his story could only happen in America). Chris' physical reactions also aren't based on ideology. In the clip that I linked to above, he said he would get a thrill up his spine whenever Reagan came to the House chamber. <br /><br />One reason the Sylvia's comment keeps coming up is because O'Reilly constantly tries to paint himself as an authority on black culture. Just listening to him for a minute and it's clear he's nothing of the sort. Also, the "context" argument doesn't work because O'Reilly clearly expressed amazement that the patrons at Sylvia's behaved in a civilized manner. I don't see how anyone can spin that into a positive. Another reason the Sylvia's incident has legs is because O'Reilly himself can't let it go. That's one of his favorite tactics, playing the victim. Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-75499786657107592472013-09-03T15:08:19.938-04:002013-09-03T15:08:19.938-04:00lol...
Hey, somebody doesn't get to act like ...lol...<br /><br />Hey, somebody doesn't get to act like <i>that</i> much of a fanboy and not catch grief over it. Tis the ways of the world. <br /><br />In the past two weeks, I've seen three different guys on a national stage grill Bill O'Reilly for those Sylvia's comments he made years ago, not even affording him context. One of whom even came to Bill's show to have his back over them, then throws him under the bus a couple of years later. So some things you just can't live down. <br /><br />Sorry, Chris, but having a leg that's perpetually thrilled just makes it worse! I highly doubt he gets this big wave of national pride when an ideological foe lays out his or her talking points. But Obama saying some hope-and-change stuff that cannot and will not be seen to fruition causes the thrill? Stuff that, love or hate the man, is 90% empty political rhetoric, just like 90% of politicians period -- <i>that</i> does it? <br /><br />Some folks are very easy to please! That video just made it worse! lol <br />Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-22489124153293091072013-09-03T14:58:06.003-04:002013-09-03T14:58:06.003-04:00The only real reason I know about any Bush electio...The only real reason I know about any Bush election conspiracies is that I personally know dozens of people who still insist to me that Dubya and Jeb conspired to steal it, along with Republicans -- twice. And many of those same people believe Bush blew the towers up. And they bring this up regularly whenever someone drops Obama's name. "Well, Bush!" <br /><br />If these things had legs, they'd be handled by now. Not enough Republican-friendly media in the entire world to offer cover. No way they could say "phony scandals" and have the media sit down like scared dogs in the corner. Thus these things stand as nonsense to me, with "evidence" of wrongdoing working like creationists trying to put the Bible in a science classroom.<br /><br />So my personal experience with conspiracy theorists takes it beyond any one thing. Most of the Bush-haters I know believe <b>EVERYTHING</b> negative said about the man, from fake national news stories and conspiring with Bin Laden to secret Illuminati status and purposefully rigging New Orleans to kill black people.<br /><br />I believe the Secret Service (I cringe to say that!) when they say Obama has had more death threats. Makes sense. Racists are vile f'n people, and Bush made it very cool to hate POTUS. And I think it's obvious Obama's the recipient of more pointless criticism on a wider level, thanks to Twitter and Facebook and YouTube being more popular now than ever, coupled with mega-vacations and golf outings which give fired-up people more reasons and more outlets to express their disgust in distasteful ways. <br /><br />But if we're speaking strictly about theories which paint a President as a criminal or some sinister being, then it seems to me Obama has it easy. I've seen nothing that will linger over his head for life. Though I could be wrong; time will tell. <br /><br />While I certainly agree that there are plenty of racists in the birther movement, I also realize that very few people knew anything about Obama, including a lot of the same schmoes voting on factors not even closely related to politics. And this basically put a man in the White House who wasn't vetted out fairly and wasn't examined and a man who, if you do manage to call his past into question, has a skin color that serves as a shield just as much as it serves as a magnet for bullshit stereotypes and hatred. <br /><br />It's easy to believe wild stuff about a man you don't really know anything about. If somebody said your new neighbor was a weirdo, you'd probably be more inclined to believe it than if it was said about a neighbor you had for years and knew. We believe some whacky, silly, disturbing stuff as people. I'm in no way excluded. His race, as I said, just seems to me to be the icing on the cake, not necessarily the driving factor. <br /><br />(Hell, I'd agree with the name and "most" if that were the reason given; that seems more of a reason to me for a right-wing white Christian than it being a light-skinned mixed man.) <br /><br />Maybe I'm wrong. But I've been trying hard these past few years to demand a higher standard of evidence before I go believing something. Being a partisan was mentally draining me.<br /><br />Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-70529773101155929832013-09-03T13:14:32.844-04:002013-09-03T13:14:32.844-04:00Josh: "That stuff goes beyond in my mind and ...Josh: "That stuff goes beyond in my mind and stands as either total ignorance that there is no coming back from, or such an emptiness and need for attention that one must become scum-of-the-earth to get noticed."<br /><br />Agreed. There's no 3rd choice. <br /><br />I think most of the birthers fall into the racist camp. Of course, this is just a feeling based on what I've seen. Because we've never had a non-white president until now, some of the accusations of racism could be off the mark. However, I find it suspicious that of all the presidents we've had, the question of President Obama's place of birth still comes up (even after it's been well-established). <br /><br />Because of the way you phrased your sentence about the legitimacy of Bush being president (regarding people thinking he was involved in a conspiracy to steal the election), I have to follow up on that. Do you believe there was a conspiracy not involving Bush to steal the 2004 election? Just asking. <br /><br />Dervish: I agree with you about the 2004 election. I mean come on, the election comes down to the state where Bush's brother just happens to be governor! Plus when you throw in the other people you mentioned, the whole situation stinks. As you probably know, there are lunatics who think President Obama stole both of the elections he won! Just imagine how they'd react if he was in the similar situation (vote-wise) as Bush was in 2004... the only difference being that the outcome hinged on the vote tally in Illinois!<br /><br />I was thinking about doing a post on how Ted Cruz' potential White House bid will put the birthers in a quandary. It's going to be interesting to see their reactions if he does run. Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-48333063473363841372013-09-03T12:27:20.230-04:002013-09-03T12:27:20.230-04:00Josh: Still making "thrill up his leg" j...Josh: Still making "thrill up his leg" jokes in 2013?! I love how Chris responds to the infamous comment in the clip below. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pZb12hhdpU<br />Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-45021211346537047292013-09-01T02:57:04.969-04:002013-09-01T02:57:04.969-04:00Josh: Does no one else see how stupid that is?
OK...<i>Josh: Does no one else see how stupid that is?</i><br /><br />OK, not every last one is a racist. There are also the stupid and the liars. I think most are racist though. Will there be any birthers who object if <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/03/21/birther-hypocrisy-right-wing-has-no-problem-with-canadian-born-senator-ted-cruz-running-for-president/" rel="nofollow">Ted Cruz</a> decides to run for president? I doubt it.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-55155722667530423052013-08-29T20:41:14.531-04:002013-08-29T20:41:14.531-04:00Saying that everyone who is a birther is only so b...Saying that everyone who is a birther is only so because they're racist, is a statement that cannot be supported with anything even remotely resembling a fact. Anecdotal stuff, such as nobody apparently saying a damn thing about Romney's dad--which I'll take your word for they didn't; it's long before my time--doesn't make much of a case when you want to impugn an entire group of people as outright racists.<br /><br />Partisans? Probably. Bitter? The evidence is there. Out of their clocks? It would seem so, along with moronic truthers, mouth-breathing moon-landing deniers, and wide-eyed grassy knoll hangers-on. <br /><br />But to gloss over the fact that people LOVE the wildest conspiracy shit one could throw out there, including silly stuff that literally billions of people in the world cling to, and then associate anyone believing one out of infinite conspiracies as racists -- well, that's just as out there as people who believe Obama is a Kenyan socialist Muslim hell-bent on destroying America. <br /><br />It's a sweeping generalization based on nothing but anecdotal things arranged in an order which point to a presupposed conclusion. Which one am I even talking about there -- the birthers or the ones calling them all racists? There is no difference. (But let me be clear that I'm not busting balls on that front; we all have our gris gris.)<br /><br />No doubt about it that if there's a white racist out there who hates Obama's ass simply because he's black, then that person is probably a birther or far more likely to be one. No doubt that many birthers are probably racist. But to insist that the <i>only</i> reason a person would subscribe to a conspiracy theory about a black man is because of racism, then <i>that is a conspiracy theory.</i><br /><br />In every other single solitary instance of a President having outlandish, moronic conspiracy theories floating around their heads, most of which are just laughable, the only time it's ever been called racist to believe it is when it's a non-white President. And not only that, but the standard seems to be that one goes from zero to insta-racist if one subscribes to this conspiracy theory. Just doing so seems to be the standard y'all are saying <i>makes</i> one a racist. <br /><br />Does no one else see how stupid that is? I think even my buddy Tommy Sotomayor would be poundcaking some folks off of that standard. Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-48445658314622049912013-08-29T11:24:44.350-04:002013-08-29T11:24:44.350-04:00Malcolm: ...his presidency has caused the racism s...<i>Malcolm: ...his presidency has caused the racism simmering below the surface to rise to the top.</i><br /><br />Agreed. Strongly.<br /><br /><i>Josh: [I dispute that] Birthers are racist.</i><br /><br />The Birthers are most certainly racist. Mitt Romney's dad George ran for president and nobody said a damn thing about the fact that he was born in Mexico. I actually agree with you about the Oprah handbag debacle, however. I think the reason the clerk didn't want to show her that ridiculously overpriced handbag was not necessarily due to her being Black. I wasn't there (while Oprah was), so I can't say for sure either way.<br /><br /><i>Josh: And people still question the legitimacy of Bush's presidency. For any minority who believes he was involved in a conspiracy to steal it...</i><br /><br />bush never won legitimately. Whether or not he was involved personally in the schemes to steal the elections, I can't say. It was most likely only people working on his behalf (and without his knowledge) that helped steal the presidency for bush both times (the primary players being Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush and the Conservative SCOTUS judges the first time, and Kenneth Blackwell and <a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/99337/how_the_gop_wired_ohio's_2004_vote_count_for_bush_to_win" rel="nofollow">Mike Connell</a> the second time).Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-58218226160286404592013-08-28T03:12:21.741-04:002013-08-28T03:12:21.741-04:00Even I get ticked that they bother to bring the fa...Even I get ticked that they bother to bring the family into it. Not that I'm an Obama fan, obviously, but I can empathize; and if it were my family, I wouldn't handle it nearly as well. Especially if I were POTUS. I'd be tempted to go dictator-style on somebody. <br /><br />That stuff goes beyond in my mind and stands as either total ignorance that there is no coming back from, or such an emptiness and need for attention that one must become scum-of-the-earth to get noticed. Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-41299883907017575232013-08-28T03:06:29.104-04:002013-08-28T03:06:29.104-04:00My pit bull never got thrills up its leg. Just say...My pit bull never got thrills up its leg. Just sayin'...<br /><br />But watching these two reminds me of why I don't turn to these channels anymore. Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-52597541819880453372013-08-27T19:44:01.807-04:002013-08-27T19:44:01.807-04:00In answer to your question, I find most of the rac...In answer to your question, I find most of the racist stuff to be offensive. This is esp. the case when they bring Michelle and his daughters into it. However, some of the attacks have gotten boring and predictable. Some of the stories I don't post about because I don't have the time. Even if I did have the time there would be some stuff I'd ignore because of the "been there, done that" factor. Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-25532188258801800022013-08-25T16:10:51.983-04:002013-08-25T16:10:51.983-04:00There is certainly racism directed toward Obama. A...There is certainly racism directed toward Obama. As tough as my personal standards are on what constitutes something that's racist, it's pretty damn obvious that some people just do racist shit for whatever reason (ignorance, spite, trolling with memes just to troll, whatever). But as far as there actually being <i>more</i> in America at large, that's what I was getting at with my contention that some folks just see everything as racist because Obama's black, not just the stuff that certainly is.<br /><br />I wasn't attempting to place you in that category. You've never went partisan SNAFU on me and accused me of being a troll and a shill despite many disagreements, so I wouldn't lump you in with nutters who instantly become unhinged over the slightest disparities in worldview. <br /><br />I don't think it surprises anyone that a President would be despised by many. We've only been dealing with that since Washington (but for this past decade-plus, it's become downright sinister). And if one is so inclined to hit someone where they think it hurts, Obama is low-hanging fruit when it comes to moronic stereotypes people have to choose from. <br /><br />But I agree that most of that stuff is stuff I'd consider to be racist. In general, they're the type of insults one would expect to be thrown at Obama, unfortunately. It's the equivalent of saying someone is like Hitler, in the sense that it's just so easy to do; it's just always there. <br /><br />(Do folks here--race and politics aside--find that stuff to be offensive, or yawn-worthy? Not part of some point or anything; just my curiosity.)<br /><br />Though I disagree about birthers. That the towers weren't brought down by manual explosives strategically placed has been proven as well, yet the fringe of the truthers hold on out of hatred of Bush. I expect that to be the case with many birthers and Obama. They hate him, and it doesn't necessarily have to be his skin color. I'm sure some racists join right in and fly their flags, though. But politics is polarizing enough without having to bring skin color into it. That might be icing on the cake in some instances, but folks believe some whacky shit for a range of reasons. <br /><br />And people still question the legitimacy of Bush's presidency. For any minority who believes he was involved in a conspiracy to steal it, where only spun evidence is able to make that case, I wouldn't put that on Bush being white but rather on him being Bush -- the President Mr. Obama can thank for making it so damn cool to treat political rivals like dogshit. It seems to have lived up to the "give an inch, take a mile" saying; the flood gates opened up. <br />Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970377995219031351noreply@blogger.com