tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post2078775447214301348..comments2023-10-24T04:47:49.032-04:00Comments on Progressive Soup: The Unamericanization of President Barack ObamaMalcolmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-4282573321645852082011-05-15T09:56:27.590-04:002011-05-15T09:56:27.590-04:00Kid: Although it was abundantly clear already how ...Kid: Although it was abundantly clear already how you feel about President Obama, thanks for driving the point home.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-50537661239652323492011-05-10T20:05:42.541-04:002011-05-10T20:05:42.541-04:00Malcolm, I felt if we were to continue the debate ...Malcolm, I felt if we were to continue the debate point by point, it was looking like it would be a case of dueling websites. Meaning either of us can find just about any supporting position on the web that we want.<br /><br />If I am right about Obama, I sure don't expect to find definitive proof on the net.<br /><br />So, I go with my life experience.<br />-Where there is smoke there is fire.<br />-Risking conceit, I Am an excellent judge of people. I've been watching Barak for 3.5 years now.<br />I'm not buying it.<br /><br />He has no leadership experience, no managerial experience and those are very important points. You don't acquire those skills just because you're voted into the White House.<br /><br />I felt, if I continued the point by point, I'd just be beating up on you and him. While I'm sure you can take the strain :) - what's the point? In the end, I really don't care if you or anyone else think Barak is fantastic.<br /><br />Well, I have you bookmarked. If I see a post where I think I can add some positive value, I'll try to do so. Negative energy is wasted energy.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-27081448442496623342011-05-10T19:41:32.402-04:002011-05-10T19:41:32.402-04:00Kid: It seems as if you are unwilling to cut Presi...Kid: It seems as if you are unwilling to cut President Obama any slack. Hopefully, that isn't the case. At any rate, I hope you return to join in on the discussions at Diversity Ink. <br /><br />Teresa: In regards to the news media, you have to remember we didn't have the number of political opinion shows back in the Vietnam War era as we <br />do now. For the most part, the straight news programs of today are just reporting the stories without editorializing. The way I see it, because Fox "News" is so far to the right, any news outlets that don't push the same agenda are liberal in the eyes of conservatives. It's not that simple. If and when time permits, I'll go into more detail in the guest post we talked about. <br /><br />Here is what Palin said:<br /><br />“The U.S. has a tradition of course of Americans as we travel to foreign soil we don’t criticize our President’s foreign policy — even as friendly soil as India is — I won’t criticize what his foreign policy has been. But, to answer your question, certainly there would have been more decisiveness, there would have been more commitment to making sure that those who are freedom fighters, who truly desire democracy and free and fair elections and respect for human rights and women’s rights, that they know that America is on their side. And we have a rich tradition, a history in America of being on the side of those who would seek democracy, who would seek freedom, and free markets. So, yes, there would have been more decisiveness and less, though the word has been beaten to death, the word ‘dithering’? I, heaven forbid you hear that again in national news over in the U.S. because it’s used all the time. But less dithering, more decisiveness.”<br /><br />Although I'm not offended by Palin's comments, it is hypocritical for her to say what she did and for any conservative/Republican to give her a pass.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-45462461429268002672011-05-09T21:07:38.389-04:002011-05-09T21:07:38.389-04:00I obviously wasn't there but during the whole ...I obviously wasn't there but during the whole Vietnam war protests and the reporting on it from what I have heard/researched the media merely reported the news back then and am pretty sure they did that with that story. Some news views may have even been somewhat sympathetic to the Vietnam War protests, but not sure on that. But, the liberal news media today did not simply report on the Townhall outbursts but they reported on them in a negative manner. Or, I didn't see the news stations presenting both sides of the coin with regards to the townhall meetings and/or outbursts.<br /><br /> "Speaking of which, are you giving Sarah Palin a pass for what she said about President Obama while in India?"<br /><br />What did she say? <br /><br />"One thing that has disappointed me is President Obama's continuation of something started under George W. Bush: The Patriot Act (esp. the National Security Letter portion). Do you feel President Bush was ignoring the Constitution when he enacted the Patriot Act?" <br /><br />Even though this question was directed at Kid I'm going to give you my input on this. <br /><br />While I held pretty much the same views as today I wasn't politically minded back then. I didn't follow the news or if I did it I did very little. I didn't get into the issues all that much. <br /><br />After debating with @Liberty and researching the Patriot Act, looking over the Act myself, about 6 months to 1 year ago I came to the conclusion that the Patriot Act is in fact in part not in accordance with the Constitution or that Bush was to some extent ignoring the Constitution and that it gives too much authority to the President and others - National Security team et al. - The Patriot Act needs to be radically changed, needs to be more specific or needs to be repealed and replaced with something that is in compliance with the Constitution.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-25602237224914239782011-05-08T12:53:59.452-04:002011-05-08T12:53:59.452-04:00Above was me btw..Above was me btw..Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-27127439650060958732011-05-08T12:42:01.764-04:002011-05-08T12:42:01.764-04:00Malcolm,
The short story is you have good defensi...Malcolm,<br /><br />The short story is you have good defensible points but my opinion hasn't changed.<br /><br />Good luck to us both.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13251698427942800691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-62799320026832987452011-05-08T12:11:28.178-04:002011-05-08T12:11:28.178-04:00Kid: In regards to my invite for you to continue o...Kid: In regards to my invite for you to continue our discussion here, you're welcome.<br /><br />The "Obama apology tour" meme is something that just doesn't hold up when you look at the complete picture with an objective eye. Here is the link to an article written earlier this year that tears the "Obama apologizes too much/doesn't recognize American exceptionalism" nonsense to shreds.<br /><br />http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/02/obamas_apology_tour.html<br /><br />President Obama is not a socialist. Even the Fox News exec who started the "Obama is a socialist" smear has admitted it was a lie:<br /><br />http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/fox-news-executive-admits-his-attempt-link-o<br /><br />You mentioned that President Obama has shown a constant disregard for the Constitution, yet you provided no examples. One thing that has disappointed me is President Obama's continuation of something started under George W. Bush: The Patriot Act (esp. the National Security Letter portion). Do you feel President Bush was ignoring the Constitution when he enacted the Patriot Act?<br /><br />As for President Obama's many comments about "typical whiteys", can you provide evidence of this? The only instance I know is when he made the "typical white person" remark to describe his maternal grandmother. Although I think it was a poor choice of words, the topic of culture/stereotypes and how people react to it can be hazy.<br /><br />I think you are needlessly bringing race into the comments President Obama made about people of Pennsylvania clinging to their guns and bibles. He was talking about a segment of white people, but not white people in general. For example, if you made a negative comment about gangsta rappers, it wouldn't be fair to accuse you of racism against blacks.<br /><br />Obama's association with Rev. Wright was complex to say the least. However, I think the then Sen. Obama did an excellent job of addressing Rev. Wright and race in general in his "A More Perfect Union" speech back in 2008. Predictably, how people feel about the speech is often based on one's political viewpoint.<br /><br />The times we live in (a 24 hour news cycle, the Internet, etc.) have helped to contribute to the WWE atmosphere you mentioned. Although it's great for ratings, book sales, etc., it's bad for political discourse. <br /><br />Because I often defend Obama on various political blogs, I am mistakenly viewed by conservatives as being an Obama apologist. That couldn't be further from the truth. Although I am a supporter, I do criticize him when I feel it's warranted. However, if I think he or any other political/social figure is being unjustly criticized, I'm going to say something.<br /><br />Thanks for stopping by. I look forward to seeing you here again in the future.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-35397709852937463622011-05-03T18:32:52.699-04:002011-05-03T18:32:52.699-04:00Malcolm, thank you for the gracious invitation to ...Malcolm, thank you for the gracious invitation to continue our discussion from another portal.<br /><br />To answer you specifically, I say:<br /><br />- Good point on Obama's cabinet makeup. I'll say this was one of the reasons why I thought such a conversation on the subject could get extremely long. It's hard to toss out a few examples and be able to properly express the meanings and contexts. <br /><br />My appraisal of Obama being anti-American is based primarily 1.) on his apology tour. Specifically in the Middle East. While pointing out that America is arrogant at times, and the rest of what he said, not a single word in regard to how Americans have died protecting other Muslims in the Middle East. Kuwait. Iraq, Afghanistan. American military vaccinating entire villages against diseases that ran rampant there. From 2003 - 2008 or so, I read at least 20 stories a day on defendamerica.mil under a now missing section called Iraq Reconstruction. Major stories about infrastructure building, rebuilding, drilling wells, providing medical care - quite a long list. The disaster relief we provide them. Decades of support. We built the oil infrastructure that provide the bulk of their income... Not a word of any of this. That's not right and it is unhelpful going forward.<br />2.) He is a socialist. You can't be a socialist and understand why America has had the longest running successful economic and societal system in the history of man.<br />3.) His constant disregard for the constitution, which extends the above point.<br /><br />Racism: His many comments about the typical whitey's. His comments about how the people of Pennsylvania cling to their guns and bibles. He wasn't talking about black people. <br />I also take his 20 year relationship with Rev "g-damn America" Wright very seriously.<br /><br />As I read your (this) post, you correctly point out all the baiting going on in politics and the media. 1.) I hate it, 2.) I don't think it represents how most American's feel. 3.) Everyone I talk to views this as an example of how Juvenile the visible parts of our country have gotten. Trump. It's like WWE goes to Washington. It's disgusting.<br /><br />I think a clearer version of the GOP is the 1.5 to 2.5 Million people who marched on Washington DC recently, didn't make any trouble, didn't make any noise, didn't leave any trash behind. And those were the people that apparently could get away from work to do it. If we all could have I think you'd have had 50 million well behaved people there.<br /><br />You allude to what is going on. Huckabee, Romney, Hannity, Rush, etc. They're all selling something. Usually a book.<br /><br />Well, I'll bookmark you and keep the other info.<br /><br />In full disclosure, I'm not on a mission to expose obama, hurt obama, etc. I don't even like to think about politics much. I'm on a mission to try to get America to turn the ship back around to capitalism because that is what will make us [all] healthy again. I think it's too late though.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-47546953221759522652011-04-17T22:35:54.044-04:002011-04-17T22:35:54.044-04:00Teresa: One other thing. What Drew Griffin of CNN ...Teresa: One other thing. What Drew Griffin of CNN did in that clip you linked to is indefensible. If he/CNN didn't apologize for misleading its viewers, they should have.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-85591275652609507462011-04-17T19:38:29.834-04:002011-04-17T19:38:29.834-04:00Teresa: By the way, I forgot to address the commen...Teresa: By the way, I forgot to address the comments you made about then President Bush's speech in which he mentioned slavery and the Constitution. The pass you gave him is to be expected. Like I said, I don't view what he said as being an apology. However, if President Obama had said the same thing, I have a feeling the right-wing media and conservative bloggers such as yourself would have been all over him.<br /><br />I’m not going to get too deep into the “liberal media” comments you made because we’ll only wind up veering further off topic. However, I will in one of the guest posts I plan on writing for your blog later this year. I only asked what you considered liberal media because I didn’t want to assume. The answer you gave is pretty much what I expected you to say. As you can probably guess, the so-called liberal media is a myth in my opinion. Before I forget, I interpreted the article you linked to about the health care reform town hall meetings totally different than you. I don’t know if you noticed, but the writer of the article is E.J. Dionne who according to Bill O’Reilly is a “far-left bomb thrower”. The way I read it, E.J. was saying:<br /><br />* The reason the outbursts at the town halls got more press coverage is because they make better stories. As he stated, a similar thing happened with the anti-war protests during the Vietnam War era. <br /><br />* By giving more coverage to the outbursts, it inadvertently made it look as if an overwhelming majority of Americans were against health care. <br /><br />The fact that E.J. put quotation marks around the word “liberal” in regards to the media in both the title of the article and his closing sentence indicates to me that he’s being ironic. Read the article again and see if you come to the same conclusion as me. <br /><br />“So, you don't think there is a difference if the person is speaking to a liberal crowd or a conservative crowd as opposed to talking to the whole world?”<br /><br />If you are referring to that “foreign soil” qualifier some of you right-wingers use in regards to criticizing the POTUS or the U.S. itself, I couldn’t care less about the make-up of the crowd. I’m not going to raise a fuss over criticism of President Obama simply because the comments were made outside the U.S. However, if you guys want to get hung up on the “foreign soil” stuff, all I ask for is some consistency and not for you to make up special criteria to avoid calling out someone who shares your political viewpoint. Speaking of which, are you giving Sarah Palin a pass for what she said about President Obama while in India?<br /><br />"Sorry, Malcolm, I guess I gave you too much credit ..."<br /><br />Teresa, you don't ever have to worry about me doing that to you.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-83516253305472701632011-04-16T11:18:35.471-04:002011-04-16T11:18:35.471-04:00Sorry, Malcolm, I guess I gave you too much credit...Sorry, Malcolm, I guess I gave you too much credit ... <br /><br />"By the way, who are all the other so-called liberal networks in your opinion?"<br /><br />CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and NBC. They either distort the news, simply ignore important news stories, show partial video clips, or have tingles running up my leg syndrome finding any excuse to either praise Obama or they make excuses for Obama's mistakes. <br /><br />Here is one example of a distortion by the Left: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW5HlupqKdQ<br /><br />One more example is how the liberal media presented the shouting at Congressmen/women at town hall events during the health care debate as being widespread when it wasn't or even outlandish that a person would get angered at a representative for messing with their health care. This occurred because prior to the event the Democrat politician had refused to answer questions or meet with the people they were supposed to be representing. But, if that same type of rhetoric was directed at Bush or any Republican then the liberal media would have been cheering on. <br /><br />http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/6599915.html<br /><br />So, you don't think there is a difference if the person is speaking to a liberal crowd or a conservative crowd as opposed to talking to the whole world?Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-86380942910574097592011-04-16T09:30:29.990-04:002011-04-16T09:30:29.990-04:00Teresa: You said: "Were their speeches which ...Teresa: You said: "Were their speeches which criticized Obama given to a particular group like the Heritage Foundation in Great Britain or a more general crowd and televised for the world to see? If it was the latter then both Huckabee and Cantor shouldn't have publicly criticized the President on foreign soil."<br /><br />Teresa, what the hell difference does it make whether or not the comments by Huckbee and Cantor were given to a particular group or a televised general crowd?! Some of you conservatives love to set up these unwritten rules such as the "no criticism of the U.S. on foreign soil" rule and then change the criteria to avoid criticizing one of your own. Recently while in India, Sarah Palin criticized President Obama's handling of the situation in Libya. This was televised for all the world to see. Are you going to come up with a special qualifier to let Palin off the hook or are you going to criticize her for what she said about President Obama while she was on foreign soil?<br /><br />Teresa said: "Can you prove that MSNBC and all the other liberal networks don't cut clips to favor Democrats and Obama while not showing the whole context of a speech or the entire clip?"<br /><br />You're not getting away with that over here. You made a wild accusation about the tactics of news networks without providing any evidence. When I ask you to back up your claim, you try to put the burden of proof on me?! Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Whenever I make specific criticisms of Fox "News" and other conservative media outlets, I'm prepared to back up my statements. I expect the same of you. If you can't back it up, you come off as somebody who's talking out of the side of their neck.<br /><br />By the way, who are all the other so-called liberal networks in your opinion?Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-75139444029736651802011-04-15T12:58:29.867-04:002011-04-15T12:58:29.867-04:00Malcolm,
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_...Malcolm,<br /> http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/ <br /><br />This article was on the Bush administration's interrogation policies which I consider justified and okay to use in extreme circumstances. <br /><br />"Where were you and the rest of the right when Huckabee and Cantor criticized the U.S./President Obama while on foreign soil?"<br /><br />Were their speeches which criticized Obama given to a particular group like the Heritage Foundation in Great Britain or a more general crowd and televised for the world to see? If it was the latter then both Huckabee and Cantor shouldn't have publicly criticized the President on foreign soil. <br /><br />Can you prove that MSNBC and all the other liberal networks don't cut clips to favor Democrats and Obama while not showing the whole context of a speech or the entire clip? <br /><br />I don't see there being a comparison between Bush's speech and Obama's speech. Bush quoted from one U.S. president, referred to the good deeds of good Americans, and explained about how Africans or slavery awakened the conscience of America. Bush was explaining history or historical fact and not so much expressing dismay or opinion about policies or being critical of America like President Obama did in his speech.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-83511803453731905162011-04-04T15:47:49.420-04:002011-04-04T15:47:49.420-04:00Teresa: “…every news channel cuts clips so it favo...Teresa: “…every news channel cuts clips so it favors their position.” There is no way you can back up such a claim. It sounds as if you are trying to give Hannity a pass for his underhanded tactics.<br /><br />Why is it so important to you and others on the right that a president speaks often of American exceptionalism/the greatness of America? It’s like you require constant assurance that we’re #1 and better than everyone else. It would be interesting to go back and look at the speeches of previous presidents and see whether or not they’d measure up to the standard you hold for President Obama. As for “whose brand of exceptionalism is better?” try and put yourself in the shoes of someone who lives in another country. Who are we to say to them that American exceptionalism is better than their brand of exceptionalism? It seems that the right-wing meme “Obama doesn’t believe in American exceptionalism” is just a backhanded way of saying he isn’t one of us. <br /><br />Also, what is it with you guys and the “foreign soil” qualifier?! I couldn’t care less whether or not an American is in the U.S. or not when they make critical comments about the U.S. or its policies. Predictably, conservatives are selective when they go after people who criticize the U.S. while in another country:<br /><br />http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/08/17/huckabee<br /><br />Where were you and the rest of the right when Huckabee and Cantor criticized the U.S./President Obama while on foreign soil?<br /><br />By the way, I am still interested in hearing what you have to say about the comments Bush made about the Constitution and slavery.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-91211832073431293062011-04-04T13:06:13.003-04:002011-04-04T13:06:13.003-04:00Malcolm,
Hannity should have shown the entire cli...Malcolm,<br /><br />Hannity should have shown the entire clip. In saying that every news channel cuts clips so it favors their position. I heard the entire speech during one of the day programs on Fox, though. <br /><br />Whenever President Obama speaks of America as great or that he believes in American exceptionalism, which isn't that often, he usually slides in words afterward using a qualifier to make the U.S. equal to that of Europe or other countries, like American exceptionalism and it's principles are equal to that of Europe or other countries. There is evidence of this in the first sentence you quoted. You can be proud, say it is exceptional just like other countries think their exceptional but that doesn't mean that Obama thinks America is great and that American excceptionalism is different or better than that of other countries who think that their exceptional (or believe in their country's exceptionalism) also. Plus, his speech using derisive and divisive were on foreign soil and that has far reaching implications compared to if he had criticized the U.S. on U.S. soil.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-70215890072300259392011-04-04T12:04:36.838-04:002011-04-04T12:04:36.838-04:00John: lolJohn: lolMalcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-36380275912934699952011-03-29T18:35:58.033-04:002011-03-29T18:35:58.033-04:00I don't know if Teresa has more, but I know I ...I don't know if Teresa has more, but I know I do. I have a soy dog, but now a very small part of one. I used to have a soy dog, a few minutes ago.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-61591760776924506702011-03-29T12:58:50.205-04:002011-03-29T12:58:50.205-04:00Teresa: Yes, it is possible to apologize without u...Teresa: Yes, it is possible to apologize without using the words "I'm sorry or "I apologize". However, you guys are really reaching. I noticed you didn't discuss the examples the article laid out in regards to comments made by President Bush. Read what Bush said about slavery and the Constitution. Although I don't consider what Bush said an apology, I don't see how anyone with any objectivity can view Obama's comments as an apology and not Bush's. <br /><br />To say President Obama didn't speak of America as being great or of America's greatness is a lie. <br />Here is a clip in which you see the Fox News Channel's version of President Obama's speech in France and the reality of what he actually said:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsqX6PmlYAw<br /><br />Teresa, do you want to defend Fox News' deceptive editing to smear President Obama?<br /><br />As for the "President Obama doesn't believe in American exceptionalism" meme, that's nonsense too. What you included was just a portion of what President Obama said. Here is the complete quote:<br /><br />"I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism. I'm enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world. If you think about the site of this summit and what it means, I don't think America should be embarrassed to see evidence of the sacrifices of our troops, the enormous amount of resources that were put into Europe postwar, and our leadership in crafting an Alliance that ultimately led to the unification of Europe. We should take great pride in that.<br /><br />And if you think of our current situation, the United States remains the largest economy in the world. We have unmatched military capability. And I think that we have a core set of values that are enshrined in our Constitution, in our body of law, in our democratic practices, in our belief in free speech and equality, that, though imperfect, are exceptional.<br /><br />Now, the fact that I am very proud of my country and I think that we've got a whole lot to offer the world does not lessen my interest in recognizing the value and wonderful qualities of other countries, or recognizing that we're not always going to be right, or that other people may have good ideas, or that in order for us to work collectively, all parties have to compromise and that includes us.<br /><br />And so I see no contradiction between believing that America has a continued extraordinary role in leading the world towards peace and prosperity and recognizing that that leadership is incumbent, depends on, our ability to create partnerships because we create partnerships because we can't solve these problems alone."<br /><br />If you got more Teresa, bring it on because I don't mind busting you up.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-45597451387348272752011-03-27T18:30:47.059-04:002011-03-27T18:30:47.059-04:00Is it possible to apologize without using the word...Is it possible to apologize without using the words I'm sorry or I apologize? Or is it the case that Obama didn't speak of America as being great or of America's greatness which may be seen as an apology?<br /> Obama's equivolency campaign in the way he compares America with the other countries implies that he doesn't see America as different or exceptional. Some of the usage of words when he has visited other countries may not imply that he is apologizing for America but they also don't signify that he thinks America is exceptional either. <br /><br />One example is when Obama stated: 'At the NATO Summit in Strasbourg, France, in 2009 President Obama said, "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."'<br /><br />http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/31/barack-obama-exceptionalism-america-opinions-columnists-mallory-factor.html<br /><br />A President who does not believe in American exceptionalism - that America is different from Europe etc. - like other presidents have combined with his other badly stated words could be perceived to be as apologizing for America.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-37838053228121448512011-03-27T17:41:09.714-04:002011-03-27T17:41:09.714-04:00Teresa: The blogger who goes by the name "Amu...Teresa: The blogger who goes by the name "Amusing Bunni" is a prime example of someone suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome. If you wanna defend some of the nasty stuff she's hurled at President Obama, have at it. As for what you call President Obama (scummy or unamerican), do whatever it feels gets you through the night.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-81794442894461433262011-03-22T14:35:25.090-04:002011-03-22T14:35:25.090-04:00Malcolm,
"I will say you seem to give a lot ...Malcolm,<br /><br />"I will say you seem to give a lot of leeway when it comes to the vileness directed at President Obama." <br /><br />Example? I will admit that sometimes I let people rag on Obama but not sure what you are referring to about vile statements. <br /><br />"POS" and "scumbag" - You seem to have found and focus on the rare occasions when I may have used these terms. But, that is extremely rare. I may have stated this in one my earlier posts when I first started blogging but even then that is much rarer than the occasions that I may have commented saying scumbag or the likes. Sometimes I get carried away, make mistakes and never claimed I was perfect, just pointing out that calling Obama a POS is very rare for me, scumbag maybe less rare but I think some of the things he's done are scummy. Would you prefer scummy or unamerican? <br /><br />I'll be looking through your blog but I do remember some vile language nonetheless. Or maybe it was you giving leeway when it comes to vileness directed to conservatives to one or more your fellow liberal bloggers?Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-43389526070097584562011-03-22T12:05:50.135-04:002011-03-22T12:05:50.135-04:00Teresa: Yes, I am sure. I said I didn't hear t...Teresa: Yes, I am sure. I said I didn't hear the level of vileness directed at Bush as I do against Obama. However, that's not to say there weren't vile comments directed at Bush. Getting into a debate over "Who got the worst treatment: Bush or Obama" is pointless because for the most part where one stands is based on party lines. I will say you seem to give a lot of leeway when it comes to the vileness directed at President Obama. <br /><br />You have a tendency to build "straw man" arguments. As an FYI, I'm not talking about you referring to President Obama as "BO". Although I consider that rather childish, I wouldn't put it in the vile category. However, to call President Obama a "POS" and "scumbag" is vile in my book. <br /><br />Also, I never said you were obsessed with President Obama's failed bid to get the Olympics in Chicago (yet another straw man argument on your part). What I did say is that it was disgusting of you and others to cheer over the failed bid. <br /><br />What vile things have you heard me say against conservatives? Do you consider what I said vile because of the language or is it vile simply because it's directed at a conservative? I'll admit that I am not perfect. However, I try to stay away from the name calling. Off the top of my head, the worst thing I can think of that I said is when I called Rush Limbaugh "a race-baiting, sexist scumbag" in a post I wrote in 2009. My only regret is referring to him as a scumbag. Outside of what I just admitted to, give me some examples of when I've said vile things towards conservatives. <br /><br />"Stalker-like and obsessive"? Don’t flatter yourself kid. Trust me Teresa, I'm not following you around the blogosphere. You just happen to comment on many of the conservative blogs I read and I have an uncanny memory for certain things.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-87566539410586491732011-03-22T09:31:41.372-04:002011-03-22T09:31:41.372-04:00@Malcolm,
Sure about that? From what I heard in m...@Malcolm,<br /><br />Sure about that? From what I heard in my area, on the net, and on TV during the Bush presidency I heard more vile things said about Bush and to a worse degree and more often then about Obama. One person in my neighborhood (who I don't even associate with anymore) would on occasion make statements to the effect that he would be happy if Bush was dead. Yes, I would call him out on that. <br />What did I say that was vile? BO? That's a little funny teasing of President since I am not a fan of Obama. Or was it simply pointing out the truth? and that is offensive to you? I have seen you say vile things about conservatives so stop playing like your the good one in this argument, when your not. Oh and Gee.... I was so obsessed (sarcasm) with Obama losing the bid for the Olympics that I didn't even do a post on it and I stated maybe like two comments in support of another blogger on a different blog than my own. That's a little stalker-like and obsessive to complain about my comments in another blog.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-8860150680148597912011-03-22T06:31:58.275-04:002011-03-22T06:31:58.275-04:00Sandy: Agreed. I don't know exactly who starte...Sandy: Agreed. I don't know exactly who started the trend of questioning someone's patriotism simply because they shared different political views, but I do know it's gotten out of hand. I'm not saying she started this trend, but Sarah Palin is the first person I heard use this tactic. On at least one occasion while making a speech, she has said to the audience that President Obama doesn't see America the way they (her and her audience) do. It was a cheap, underhanded way of questioning Obama's patriotism.<br /><br />Trestin: Just so I'm clear, I don't think you are being partisan. I do agree that we should question our leaders. However, I disagree with your criteria for anti-Americanism. <br /><br />Teresa: I was referring to the article that debunks President Obama's so-called "Apology Tour". <br /><br />I have a feeling that if people were calling Bush anti-American during his presidency, we would have known about it. There were political blogs back then. However, I didn't read them because I didn't follow politics as closely as I do now. I stuck to non-political blogs back then. Although politics (including our dislike of Bush) was discussed among my friends and family, the language never got vile. <br /><br />Just recently at a town hall meeting, a man asked Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.), "Who is going to shoot Obama?" <br /><br />http://news.yahoo.com/s/theweek/20110225/cm_theweek/212579<br /><br />Funny, but I didn't see the conservative bloggers I read speak out against this man's comments and Broun's failure to condemn what the man said. I guess your definition of "vile" is different from mine. I say this because you and many of your blog buddies have used vile language when referring to President Obama. Your comments about not using vile comments would hold some merit if you practiced what you preached.Malcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065814455731328574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1694026809022095167.post-7806368462807411912011-03-21T12:18:40.491-04:002011-03-21T12:18:40.491-04:00Of course violence is not the answer. But questio...Of course violence is not the answer. But questioning loyalties? I think we need more of it. If you think your elected officials work for you, you have been duped. There are a handful of good ones, but most are puppets. Real Americans don't bow down to corporate masters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com